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Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by starttoaster »

randomdata wrote: post #125
starttoaster wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was banned from /r/police for mentioning Philip Brailsford, a cop and murderer that gets a lifetime disability pension for PTSD from executing someone on their knees in a local hotel’s hallway. I guess they probably hated my speech.

I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.

I'm sure they think they're being progressive. I was banned from /r/publicfreakout for mentioning racial inequality issues in the US in a video that starred a person of color. What's funny is that my comment was meant to spur progressive communication about the struggle for people of color. My comment on the video was highly upvoted and generated a ton of level-headed discussion about racial inequality. The mods, however, cited racism and banned me. I'm sure pretending like the issues don't exist is extremely productive for change.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by [deleted] »

gonehome wrote: post #68
leoedin wrote: post #5

It's interesting seeing this situation play out across different subreddits. There seems to be 2 kinds of subreddits - the "category" kind (simple, descriptive name) and the "community" kind (have a defined purpose, could exist under a whole range of names) The moderators of all of them see themselves as somehow owning the community, but I think that's less clear to the users. To most users, r/Celebrities is a catego…

Getting rid of mods like the one linked in this post is a net positive for Reddit imo. His plan was to disable the subreddit for 6 weeks while working on a bot? What? Reddit can just take over. Mods like this are awful - way too much power has gone to their head just because they happened to be the first to create some subreddit.

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Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by randomdata »

starttoaster wrote: post #131
randomdata wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.

I'm sure they think they're being progressive. I was banned from /r/publicfreakout for mentioning racial inequality issues in the US in a video that starred a person of color. What's funny is that my comment was meant to spur progressive communication about the struggle for people of color. My comment on the video was highly upvoted and generated a ton of level-headed discussion about racial inequality. The mods, how…

Mods are arbitrary at the best of times, but in my case it came from an admin, banning me from the whole site. That seemed unusual. Particularly for something that seems so innocuous. The mods of the subreddit saw no reason to ban me.

I also made some silly quips about spez in the same timeframe. It is possible he was salty about it and arbitrarily chose a comment to reference in the banning, not being the true reason. It certainly would not be out of character.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by powera »

drumhead wrote: post #6

So they just expelled one of the people that helped make Reddit what it is today? No loyalty at all is there.

I am more inclined to believe this is "a cabal of toxic moderators have revealed what they are, and Reddit is rightly removing them from the project".

When loyalty is a facade to keep malevolent people in power, it is no virtue.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by randomdata »

noodle wrote: post #130
randomdata wrote: post #124

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> For example, general clout, influence peddling, an outlet for low power people to experience power, etc. Does that meaningfully differ from "some laughs when you strike the ban hammer"? One may not physically laugh out loud, but no doubt the appeal of which you speak stems from pleasurable emotions that stem from the entertainment in experiencing those things. It is understandable why some people would be drawn to…

Yes. For example, I was a mod on a larger tech related subreddit (trying to keep it generic) that was a critical part of my tech stack and daily work at the time. The mods above me would regularly promote their POV on certain topics and do various things to demote/remove the things that they disagreed with. In this way, the community artificially seemed to be more in favor of particular directions on certain topics.…

Perhaps I am missing some nuance, but that still seems like "some laughs" and, more importantly, not done in good faith. I get that they weren't audibly laughing, but it seems they were stroking some kind of emotional pleasure centre, choosing bad faith to feel it.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by jjk166 »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #70
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #37

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I don't think ownership is the right descriptor for how most mods feel about "their" subreddit. I would hazard a guess that most mods feel more like stakeholders, having already done a large amount of unpaid labour should entitle them to have some say over the future direction of that subreddit.

So because they did things voluntarily they are owed something? You describe the very mentality that is persistent among all corrosive human efforts that go by many different labels, but all share a common element of imposing demands through violation, i.e., “we freely agree on one thing, now you demand another under threat of violence.”

Yes, people who do labor are owed things. If you don't want to owe someone for their labor, do it yourself.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by sangnoir »

starttoaster wrote: post #131
randomdata wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.

I'm sure they think they're being progressive. I was banned from /r/publicfreakout for mentioning racial inequality issues in the US in a video that starred a person of color. What's funny is that my comment was meant to spur progressive communication about the struggle for people of color. My comment on the video was highly upvoted and generated a ton of level-headed discussion about racial inequality. The mods, how…

/r/publicfreakout is the opposite of progressive - the mods barely bother to disguise their posture in order to avoid the admin banhammer - the sub was amenable to a lot "race-realism" comments a few years back until there was a wave of bans that left the sub unscathed. I'm not surprised that you were banned for such a comment.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by michaelt »

viraptor wrote: post #96
gonehome wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting rid of mods like the one linked in this post is a net positive for Reddit imo. His plan was to disable the subreddit for 6 weeks while working on a bot? What? Reddit can just take over. Mods like this are awful - way too much power has gone to their head just because they happened to be the first to create some subreddit.

> Reddit can just take over. Can it? How many people with moderation experience can they find right now who can take over the larger subreddits? How many will be ok with doing it for free in this situation? We'll see how well will the reopened communities work given the loss of the good mod tools.

> How many people with moderation experience can they find right now who can take over the larger subreddits?

There are a bunch of companies in low-cost-of-living countries who provide moderation services out of call-centre-like facilities. They also provide ML human labelling services.

They won't be providing thoughtful, nuanced guidance to guide the growth of the community - but if you just want to keep beheading videos and female nipples off the front page, there are companies that can provide the workforce faster than you can code the integration.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by Seattle3503 »

veave wrote: post #66
Seattle3503 wrote: post #62

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I'm curious, what is your experience modding subreddits?

Where is this conversation going? "You don't know how hard mods have it ;( ?" I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one.

> I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one.

You might enjoy /r/interesting as fuck. They removed all rules except the sitewide rules. It seems to be mostly porn and OF spam now.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by P_I_Staker »

randomdata wrote: post #125
starttoaster wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was banned from /r/police for mentioning Philip Brailsford, a cop and murderer that gets a lifetime disability pension for PTSD from executing someone on their knees in a local hotel’s hallway. I guess they probably hated my speech.

I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.

It's so weird what gets you banned. I'm a bit shocked by the gay thing though. In my experience they get weirdly defensive of big oppressive institutions. I got banned for a comment railing against the medical community. I don't recall exactly, but it wasn't really that bad.

HackerNews is no better. I've gotten feedback for calling out SV and the nation of Germany... I guess I could have been more "constructive", but what you find is these things are applied selectively.

I don't really agree that you need to be constructive when talking about big institutions; arguably this isn't even a good idea. There's no need to use kid gloves with bigoted nations or billionaires.

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