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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by SoftTalker »

nulld3v wrote: post #141
SkyPuncher wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 years ago, I’d be all over this. Nowadays, I have so many other more important things that I have no interest in the mental load that comes with Lemmy. Lemmy’s type of social media is mindless, timing filling. Having to figure out the nuance of federation defeats the entire point. Further, the primary reason for federation seems to be anti-censorship. While there are absolutely cases where censorship is applied to…

> Further, the primary reason for federation seems to be anti-censorship. While there are absolutely cases where censorship is applied to destroy/control, most of the topics I engage in on social media have little to no censorship. It seems like the only people that care about “avoiding a central authority” are those looking to stir hate and trouble on social media. There's plenty of censorship on many large Reddit s…

I mean, my local town's sub, ostensibly a very general-purpose place to ask and answer questions, share news and event info, in practice is quite left-leaning (college town) and heavy handed with permanent bans. Trump or even anything nominally Republican is right out, which is fine in that they are off-topic in a locally-focused sub, but you can praise Biden and Democrats all day. Even trying to have a very civil debate on local political and business topics is like walking on eggshells if you aren't supporting the popular point of view, but everything up to outright slander is tolerated in the other direction.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by willis936 »

8organicbits wrote: post #61
jorvi wrote: post #31

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> harassment Harassment is such a vague term and has been stretched out to cover such a huge swathe that it can basically used to police almost anything.

Agreed. This is a strength of federation. Pick an instance that defines the term the same way you do. Communities with strong usage guidelines, like HN, can feel very safe to use.

HN does not ask the user to dance to be let in. Rules and guidelines are stated, users are freely let in, then moderation is reactionary rather than proactive. Beehaw takes the worst parts of mob mentality and label it as a positive thing. I'm sure it's a cozy club, but they will not be learning anything they aren't already wholly convinced of.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

plantroon wrote: post #101

As a Fediverse user, I don't even care about these instances. What I am looking for is the communities to join, some handle to follow, but those are harder to find ;( I won't switch to Lemmy as a long time Friendica user, that kinda breaks the point of Fediverse

Lemmy community browsers:

- https://lemmyverse.net/communities

- https://browse.feddit.de/

Kbin magazine list:

- https://kbin.social/magazines

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Anon_Forever »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #58
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

Beehaw is a bit dramatic. I'm part of one of the most active lemmy instances, It only just brought in upstream lemmy as it forked 2 years ago when the community was created, because lemmy wasn't ready. Beehaw has some weird ideas about harassment and hate speech. Essentially civility and concern-troll like behavior cranked up to the extreme. The instance I'm on is a bit rowdy but has a tight culture and something lik…

>As a result, we find historical figures such as John Brown very admirable and hold strong opinions on what should happen to slaveholders and their ilk. Beehaw doesn't seem to like that.

What does this even mean in the context of a social media site?

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by failuser »

finder83 wrote: post #158

My impression (which may be wrong) of Lemmy is that a large number of instances are very pro-censorship and heavily left-leaning. Which of course is reflective of Reddit itself. But it doesn't exactly instill confidence in signing up for instances as a relatively conservative contributor, even while abiding by the terms of service of the instances. Any advice for a conservative Christian trying to find a reddit alter…

Why not join Truth Social, a or other dedicated conservative social network instead?

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by nulld3v »

xedrac wrote: post #145
nulld3v wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no fundamental problem with federation. The UX can be made good enough for the average user. The problem here is the developers. Federation developers don't seem to be interested in UX. They aren't focusing on adding the polish and ease-of-use users expect out of a social media platform. 90% of the issues with Lemmy isn't because of federation. It's because of basic UX: - Error messages silently discarded eve…

Are there any examples of federated platforms with mass appeal? The architecture details seem to dominate the UX.

Other than "email"? I don't think so unfortunately. I think federation has consistently failed on the UX side.

You still can't migrate posts in Mastodon: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/12423 It's been 4 years...

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by SkyPuncher »

bacchusracine wrote: post #152
nulld3v wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Further, the primary reason for federation seems to be anti-censorship. While there are absolutely cases where censorship is applied to destroy/control, most of the topics I engage in on social media have little to no censorship. It seems like the only people that care about “avoiding a central authority” are those looking to stir hate and trouble on social media. There's plenty of censorship on many large Reddit s…

>There's plenty of censorship on many large Reddit subs already. Just look at the difference between r/worldnews and r/anime_titties (which is also world news, name is misleading). No, see, since it hasn't effected them (yet?)there is no good faith reason to be against censorship. The only ones effected by it or worried by it are the wrongthinkers and bad people and who cares about them ?

That’s a full mis-representation of my argument while projecting your view.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by willis936 »

johnchristopher wrote: post #128
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

I think the easiest way to deal with that is to register a new handle directly through the instance hosting the community you want to participate into. I think participating in the community beats federation and having one handle for every instance. I don't think users care about federation.

You will not be let into Beehaw with this attitude, an attitude of "I'm a normal person with no specific intentions", or with any stated intention other than what is prescribed.

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Post by Anon_Forever »

n6h6 wrote: post #160
less_less wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which instance is that, if you don't mind my asking?

I am also curious. The main reason I haven't even tried figuring Lemmy out is because I figured it'd be exclusively full of "free speech" people, like other Reddit alternatives.

Lemmy has/had the other extreme where it was full of "Gen Zedong" people.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by finder83 »

failuser wrote: post #165
finder83 wrote: post #158

My impression (which may be wrong) of Lemmy is that a large number of instances are very pro-censorship and heavily left-leaning. Which of course is reflective of Reddit itself. But it doesn't exactly instill confidence in signing up for instances as a relatively conservative contributor, even while abiding by the terms of service of the instances. Any advice for a conservative Christian trying to find a reddit alter…

Why not join Truth Social, a or other dedicated conservative social network instead?

A few reasons:

1. I appreciate open and friendly discussion with people who don't think like me. The atmosphere, even of /r/conservative is very different than something like truth social. I don't want to be in an echo chamber, and the content from the echo chamber seems tailored to click-bate. i.e. "Watch X DESTROY Y with Logic", or conspiracy theories. I read a variety of news, and I don't need another source for it, but would rather watch discussion unfold about different topics by people who may have different opinions as well.

2. I use Reddit primarily for tech, gaming, programming, gamedev, and programming language related topics or other unrelated things like woodworking or bushcrafting. I like the community-based paradigm to social media for that reason, and that content is almost entirely lacking on conservative social networks.

3. I'm not really a Trump supporter. Truth social I believe is also relatively dead, but I've never joined so I can't verify that.

4. Free speech is extremely important to me. Trolling, hating,etc, should be moderated, but a dissenting opinion written respectively should not be, in my opinion. I'm not sure that Truth Social has reputation as a free speech platform. Reddit as a platform has largely been a free speech platform. Independently moderated subreddits have not. But Lemmy instances seem like they're going to take a stance against any communities or instances that don't fit the ideology.

There is value in open debate and conversation, but it does seem like Lemmy is intended to be a walled left echo chamber. I'm curious if your question is reflective of others' opinions as well, in that they'd prefer people not like them ideologically would just go to their own spaces and leave others alone

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