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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Calling an instance without users "awesome" is stretching it. Unfortunately, less than 10 users makes up a large majority, and those have very, very small communities.

That is like saying an email provider with only 10 user accounts cannot be good. I mean there are concerns, but it's the connections that matter.

...that said I expect that the future is going to be much more based around whitelists because open federation means easy trolling/bots... but the current theory is to think of instances like email providers.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

Wasn't this the expected outcome of federated social media? More echo chambers for ideologues. It happens within Reddit too. You'd have two sub-reddits of the same kind with one having another word to differentiate it from the other. Often times, split through politics.

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#113
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Small email providers are doomed, though. If they don't have an address from their ISP, just about everybody just gets a GMail account, or ProtonMail if they're more privacy focused. I'd like to host my own mail but it's not worth it anymore thanks to spammers.

Are they? I'm seeing self-hosted Postfix as the most common mail server in scans. For free, personal email hosting I agree but that's just a fraction of the market. https://lightmeter.io/global-email-map-2021/

Wait until Lemmy spam becomes a problem. Consolidation will happen at that point and smaller instances will simply be restricted to being read only.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#114

Wow. There's one with _three active users_ which has been blocked by 12 instances. Those three users must have been busy.

It seems to be a Taiwanese server. With the tankie userbase on Lemmygrad, I'm not surprised someone's private server might get banned.

I can't read Chinese so I don't know what this person is saying online, but whether they're pro or anti China, getting blocked shouldn't be that hard with some of the userbase.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#115
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What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?" People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there's no concept of being "defederated" in email. Or is there? I just don't understand the term.

There is, it's just not talked about much. It is incredibly hard to run your own email server today because even if you follow all of the rules the big players will often refuse to accept your emails (i.e. defederate your email server).

That’s a very persistent myth. I run my own email server and my mail gets delivered fine. There are a few things you need to do, yes, but it’s not “incredibly hard”.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#116

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

Beehaw is a bit dramatic. I'm part of one of the most active lemmy instances, It only just brought in upstream lemmy as it forked 2 years ago when the community was created, because lemmy wasn't ready. Beehaw has some weird ideas about harassment and hate speech. Essentially civility and concern-troll like behavior cranked up to the extreme. The instance I'm on is a bit rowdy but has a tight culture and something lik…

The thing to understand about this defederation drama is that the federated system don't create these stresses, they expose them in a visible manner.

Reddit has all these problems too, as well as any other big site like Facebook, etc. The solution there is a one-size-fits-all policy that generally, surprise surprise, conforms whatever the dominant culture of the company that created it is. I mean, what else would it be, right? No sarcasm. Then further modulated by the commercial interests created by the advertising-funded nature of the large-scale community. And especially because of that, the desire is typically to just shovel any conflicts under the carpet.

But these pressures are still there. They often seem to explode at some point. Reddit may or may not be seeing that now.

This is why I remain unsure and unconvinced that these one-size-fits-all communities can function as communities for the long haul. There's this intrinsic build up of stresses that will eventually overwhelm the system. Clearly they can function for a decade or two, since they have, but can they go beyond that? Yeah, in Internet time that may seem like forever, but it really isn't all that long or stable on human time scales.

You simply can not shovel the whole of humanity into one "community" and expect it to work.

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> reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I’ve ceased looking at the local feed (instead of people I follow), because it always seemed to be defederation drama. This mostly seemed to be “This other large instance has one person we don’t like and won’t impose _our_ moderation standards, so we are de…

I am actually running a Takahe instance, and it is the lightest, easiest to maintain thing I've found. Doesn't seem to like Lemmy though: https://github.com/jointakahe/takahe/issues/588

Looks like it's being worked on, so that's great.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#118
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> and the local timeline is full of To me this highlights my top issue with fediverse replacements for sites like Twitter & Reddit. I always want to be able to see everything . I do not care a single bit about the "local timeline" of my Mastodon instance (also hachyderm.io here). I have no desire to choose a Lemmy server based on its population. The thing I like most about sites like Reddit & Twitter is that they pro…

I think a better model might be that there is one central raw feed, that is universal but that instances just prefilter it for you. That way you can have the raw sewage with spam, or you can view a sensitized version that filters for content, or trigger warnings, or even just users. So it's like a single DB table with many views. So EdgeLord420_69 can see and even respond to comments by PrincessSnowflake... but Princ…

Yeah this is a solution that would remove my own complaint as then I could choose an instance that either has no filter or is only applying something like standard spam filtering. I don't really care if other people don't have the ability to see what *I* have to say, I just want the ability to see what *they* say.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#119
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Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people… But I’m really glad it exists. I’m glad they have a space for themselves. Glad I can (hopefully) find a space for myself, and that we are no forced into co-existing. I might even recommend Beehaw to some extended acquaintances… but it’s fairly anti-me. Anyone recommend something like Something Awful from it’s glory days? I…

> Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people…

But what a complete farce this whole fediverse is. Any instance with any traction is going to attract people that you, I, or even the majority are not going to wish to interact with. Hell there's plenty on this site. And beehaw sounds like a community I have no interest in associating with.

> and that we are no forced into co-existing.

Not sure how simply federating servers forces coexistence.

Defederating is such a ludicrously blunt and ultimately ineffective moderation tool.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

#120
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Needing to think about instances and having to create legends of features they support already dooms widespread adoption, but I suppose this can be fine. Small communities and spaces can be a benefit, though they'll be heavily filter-bubbled towards the tech/nerd crowd. Shame we don't live in a world where Reddit somehow turned into non-profit for the common good like Wikipedia before it monopolized forum culture and…

Yeah having to worry about instances is already a fail. You should be able to search and join a "community" and the instance shouldn't even matter for the end-user. If the community / topic / "subreddit" you want to join does not exist, then you can spin up your own instance to host it, but until then instances should not even be a concern.
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