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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Pet_Ant »

phpisthebest wrote: post #50
8organicbits wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on Beehaw, and I like the way the defederation was handled. Here's the latest from them: https://beehaw.org/post/594843 You can see some positive comments from users about the change and a transparent road map for re-federating. To put it another way, would you want to join an instance that isn't trying (or is failing to) contain harassment and other forms of bad actors? That's the challenge the de-fed is address…

Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

Yeah, I saw that and don’t mind them defederating. I don’t want to interact with those people…

But I’m really glad it exists. I’m glad they have a space for themselves. Glad I can (hopefully) find a space for myself, and that we are no forced into co-existing. I might even recommend Beehaw to some extended acquaintances… but it’s fairly anti-me.

Anyone recommend something like Something Awful from it’s glory days? I don’t mind trolls and saltiness and edginess, just don’t want spam.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by jghn »

rcarmo wrote: post #10
mikae1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

> and the local timeline is full of

To me this highlights my top issue with fediverse replacements for sites like Twitter & Reddit.

I always want to be able to see everything. I do not care a single bit about the "local timeline" of my Mastodon instance (also hachyderm.io here). I have no desire to choose a Lemmy server based on its population. The thing I like most about sites like Reddit & Twitter is that they provide me with boundless one stop shopping, and I can choose to ignore things I don't want to see at any particular point of time.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Macha »

misnome wrote: post #26
rcarmo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

> reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I’ve ceased looking at the local feed (instead of people I follow), because it always seemed to be defederation drama. This mostly seemed to be “This other large instance has one person we don’t like and won’t impose _our_ moderation standards, so we are de…

> Running your own instance seems to be the only way to avoid this

The problem with this is that running your own instance is also seen as inherently suspicious by the same communities, see the comments about Pleroma by the admins of many medium size instances - because it's easy to set up it's often set up by people avoiding bans, but they miss that easy to set up is a factor that helps everyone.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Macha »

Sakos wrote: post #35
ticoombs wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably a problem with your auto generated password. Passwords can't be longer than 20char. It's a bug. Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning. Another known bug. Self plug: come join on https://reddthat.com . We currently don't have email requirements, or any "forms" to fill out before you join. :)

> Passwords can't be longer than 20char This has to be a bad joke. > Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning Sorry, this is supposed to be a viable alternative to Reddit?

I just had to sign up for a well known financial services platform which limits passwords to 15 characters.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by SoftTalker »

mikae1 wrote: post #3
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?"

People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there's no concept of being "defederated" in email. Or is there? I just don't understand the term.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by Macha »

valdiorn wrote: post #37
reddisbad wrote: post #30

Will Lemmy ever progress beyond discussions about federation?

Things that are destined to fail: * Cryptocurrencies who's sole reason to exist is to justify its own existence. "We need token X to perform operation Y. Operation Y is important to facilitate the trade of token X". Seriously, how many tokens exist for the only purpose of being "gas" for its own network? * Social networks that only discuss itself and its own existence. * Programming languages where the largest projec…

> Running your own instance seems to be the only way to avoid this

Apart from languages which never bother self hosting, this seems backwards. It could be considered a sign of failure of a language if it never attracts projects beyond its own compiler, but it isn't true that a project which has its own compiler as the largest project is doomed to failure. For example, this was once true of Rust and Go but no longer is.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by pbmonster »

VikingCoder wrote: post #74
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

If the Lemmy fediverse is so fragmented... Then shouldn't people like us run our own instances, which then just act like an aggregator and wrapper around our single user account? Or am I federating TOO MUCH in a way that's hard to explain to new people? Because in my head... Each subreddit/community maps almost perfectly to 1 instance, and each technically savvy user also maps almost perfectly to 1 instance. That fee…

> each technically savvy user also maps almost perfectly to 1 instance

Today, nothing speaks against that. But if this proliferates, I'm predicting white lists to become more common on "sensitive" instances like Beehaw.

It's just like Email today. Sure you can run your own Email server. But expect to sometimes end up in the spam folder of users with Gmail accounts. You can thank the spammers for that, and the trolls if that ever becomes common on Lemmy.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by nologic01 »

distcs wrote: post #68
ticoombs wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any instance can connect to any other instance by design. That includes any of the communities (sub Reddits). Any community is available from any instance. So if you join a general instance (like reddthat.com #selfplug) you can search in the communities and find any other community and subscribe to it. browse.feddit.de is the current place that searches every fediverse instance, and indexes all the communities. So yo…

> Any instance can connect to any other instance by design. That includes any of the communities (sub Reddits). Any community is available from any instance. Which is both good and bad. Good because federation of course. But it also ends up fracturing the community. Say all the r/python people decide to move out from Reddit to Lemmy. They are probably going to go to different Lemmy instances each with their own c/pyt…

Using tags creatively might offer another handle (so bundling all #python stuff from all federated instances in a virtual "python" feed)

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by jorvi »

8organicbits wrote: post #61
jorvi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> harassment Harassment is such a vague term and has been stretched out to cover such a huge swathe that it can basically used to police almost anything.

Agreed. This is a strength of federation. Pick an instance that defines the term the same way you do. Communities with strong usage guidelines, like HN, can feel very safe to use.

I actually dislike the moderation here, in some instances it is extremely biased. I can remember an example of a post and discussion around tech, feminism, and how much of society has looped around to benefit women, and any comment that wasn’t overly positive on feminism immediately got detached from the post for “being inciting”.

After requested clarification, it was explained that this was done because it is a contentious topic that has high likelihood of getting heated, but moderation was completely blind to how allowing only one visible perspective on an issue completely distorts how a community’s stance at large on that issue is perceived.

HN is more of a case of “least worst” rather than “best”, for me.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by 0xffff2 »

VikingCoder wrote: post #74
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

If the Lemmy fediverse is so fragmented... Then shouldn't people like us run our own instances, which then just act like an aggregator and wrapper around our single user account? Or am I federating TOO MUCH in a way that's hard to explain to new people? Because in my head... Each subreddit/community maps almost perfectly to 1 instance, and each technically savvy user also maps almost perfectly to 1 instance. That fee…

You're basically right. The devs have explicitly said that the ideal is for every user to run their own instance.that said, while it's not hard to run an instance it's well beyond the level of effort most people are ever going to spend.
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