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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by SiempreViernes »

8organicbits wrote: post #77
ink_13 wrote: post #44

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Small email providers are doomed, though. If they don't have an address from their ISP, just about everybody just gets a GMail account, or ProtonMail if they're more privacy focused. I'd like to host my own mail but it's not worth it anymore thanks to spammers.

Are they? I'm seeing self-hosted Postfix as the most common mail server in scans. For free, personal email hosting I agree but that's just a fraction of the market. https://lightmeter.io/global-email-map-2021/

For very general reasons small things outnumber big things. In the case of services this tends to mean that most users are using one of a very small set of providers despite the many smaller providers outnumbering the few big ones.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by 0xffff2 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #85
mikae1 wrote: post #3

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> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?" People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there's no concept of being "defederated" in email. Or is there? I just don't understand the term.

There is, it's just not talked about much. It is incredibly hard to run your own email server today because even if you follow all of the rules the big players will often refuse to accept your emails (i.e. defederate your email server).

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by jefftk »

SoftTalker wrote: post #85
mikae1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?" People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there's no concept of being "defederated" in email. Or is there? I just don't understand the term.

Defederation in email would be a.example putting in a block where you can't receive email from users on b.example. With email this pretty much only happens because of spamming, so it would be very surprising for, say, Hotmail to block Gmail.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

SoftTalker wrote: post #85
mikae1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?" People compare these federated social platforms to email, as there are many email providers and they can all exchange mail with each other. But there's no concept of being "defederated" in email. Or is there? I just don't understand the term.

> What is the practical effect on the user of an instance being "defederated?"

The entire instance is sort of "shadow banned". Everyone on it can post, but no one will ever read it (except for the few dozen people on that instance). Since forums have some minimum number of users/readers that if the number falls below this people just give up and go away, it will be dead within a month.

Not only is it like being shadow-banned, but you get to be shadow-banned for what the other people on the instance are posting.

The Fediverse might be a good model for a Twitter-alike (it's debatable), but I don't think it's a good model at all for a reddit-alike.

Conversations aren't meant to always be civil. If you enforce that harshly, it turns into a place to post cat pictures.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by enragedcacti »

phpisthebest wrote: post #78
enragedcacti wrote: post #63

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It isn't trying to be a platform, its trying to be a community in the same sense that a church or a softball league is a community. That takes handling things differently and they can afford doing that because its a federated network where someone who doesn't want to be OPPRESSED can just go to a different instance. > Our goal is to create a platform in which nice people will want to stick around so that the experien…

>>It isn't trying to be a platform They state they are a platform 16 times on the link I provided including directly saying ". Beehaw is a social media platform. "

Fair, I shouldn't have hinged on my comment on that as I read some amount of ideological neutrality into the word "platform" that they apparently don't.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by rsynnott »

rcarmo wrote: post #10
mikae1 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They say the instance you choose doesn't matter that much I would way that's not true. Mostly speaking from a Mastodon perspective, but should be true for Lemmy/Kbin too. Healthy small ones with active moderation should be a good choice as they have a lesser chance of being defederated. Many smaller instances recently defederated mastodon.social because of spam. You should also choose one that doesn't defederate ot…

Spam is one factor, but biases is another that I don't see mentioned often enough. I'm on mastodon.social, see zero spam, and reading through discussions of past bans it looks as if smaller admins banned it because of tiny vocal minorities that might as well be individually dealt with. I also signed up to another instance (which I am not going to mention) and to hachyderm.io (which nominally caters more to techies, a…

The only spam I ever get on Mastodon is crypto DMs from mastodon.social; my instance hasn't defederated it (actually, I don't believe defederating .social is very common; it's too big to fail to an extent) but you can see the temptation.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

ticoombs wrote: post #34
distcs wrote: post #4

Is anyone able to sign up on any Lemmy instance. If I try to sign up, the sign up button just turns into a spinning wheel which keeps spinning for ever. It does not seem to be load issue. When I click sign up, the browser does not seem to send any request to the server either except for a request to "symbols.svg". Is the sign up button even working?

It's probably a problem with your auto generated password. Passwords can't be longer than 20char. It's a bug. Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning. Another known bug. Self plug: come join on https://reddthat.com . We currently don't have email requirements, or any "forms" to fill out before you join. :)

How does it know how long the password is? Shouldn't that just be hashed in the underlying database?

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by ted_bunny »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #58
NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

Beehaw is a bit dramatic. I'm part of one of the most active lemmy instances, It only just brought in upstream lemmy as it forked 2 years ago when the community was created, because lemmy wasn't ready. Beehaw has some weird ideas about harassment and hate speech. Essentially civility and concern-troll like behavior cranked up to the extreme. The instance I'm on is a bit rowdy but has a tight culture and something lik…

Beehaw sound like the pseudo-socialist crybullies who wreck every Left space they're let into, in my experience.
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