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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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I resisted starting a Discord for my open source projects for years. With hindsight that was a mistake. I finally created one a year ago and it had a huge impact on the velocity of the project - I now have active engagement with users and a growing pool of contributors and collaborators, all thanks to that group. I think often it's important to prioritize reducing friction to getting involved over (very rational) res…

In case you're not aware, as an operator/mod/admin it's fairly straight-forward to bridge a Discord channel to Matrix (and, if one so desires, from there to IRC), allowing users not on Discord to participate. Conservative mods concerned about spam can start with an allowlist for which servers can join. https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-discord

In addition, it's also easy to use something like Matterbridge[0] to bridge Discord to other apps!

I do this for one of my projects as I find that Discord is where a lot of people are, and people find it accessible. But for those of us who do not love the closed ecosystem, it's nice to have alternatives.

[0] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

> I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the community (because I strongly believe in [1]).

While I understand this preference and am sympathetic to it, I hope this means that you're doing the (heavy, thankless) work to make IRC or mailing lists more reasonably usable for a modern audience on modern devices.

Email's problem is mostly just that email has been rendered almost useless by bad affordances across the board and the general disregard for signal-to-noise, but IRC manages to even be worse. I have a phone in my pocket; I expect continuous connection and history. No, I'm not going to start a bouncer. No, I'm not going to pay somebody else to do it. And no, I'm not going to start a history-archive bot so I can see what I missed.

People moved because these tools are inadequate. Maybe somebody wants to make those tools better, but I don't see it happening at the scales necessary to make these more than but-for complaints.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Thank you! The sponsor has asked to remain anonymous for now. There are no strings attached, although we do stay in touch. :)

What are the chances it's Google or Apple?

Scratch that. My current guess is Valve.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Hey, I tried to contact you (via twitter since I couldn't find an email) about if you would be interested in doing a talk at öredev about ladybird a few months back. I assume the lack of a reply meant you weren't interested, but if that wasn't the case and it was just drowned out in your notifications let me know :)

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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That depends. Would you take a public forum where no one ever answers questions and fixes are never implemented and the contributors feel burned out, or a Discord where questions do get answered? The OP clearly said their project got significantly more involvement since moving to Discord. The problem with lack of community involvement is that it puts more work on the contributors which means less questions are answer…

> Would you take a public forum where no one ever answers questions and fixes are never implemented and the contributors feel burned out, or a Discord where questions do get answered? I don't understand why these are the only choices offered. In fact - they feel fairly orthogonal. There's nothing about Discord that makes supporting a community easier - in fact I would argue it's demonstrably worse than many alternati…

> There's nothing about Discord that makes supporting a community easier

It exists, it requires minimal competence or attention to technically administer, and it provides adequate (though not great) tooling for moderation (which is then significantly improved at scale with third-party tools). It also provides a unifying umbrella with a single set of affordances where everything is, from shitposting friend groups to technical projects.

IRC exists, at least in a technically-correct-is-the-best-kind-of-correct sense. It requires nontrivial competence and attention to technically administer (and like, I wrote an IRC server once and still don't ask me to tell you, or to give a damn, what the alphabet soup of flags does). Moderation is actively bad, helped only by it being sufficiently annoying to get onto IRC that you probably are putting up a "you must be this tall to ride" gate.

It also just sucks to use. Phones exist and supporting them adequately is not optional in 2023. Bouncers are not a solution, they are an additional problem.

There's also limited space in people's brains for all the alternatives. Most people seem to find that That One Friend Who Uses Telegram (or Signal, or WhatsApp) when everybody else you know is on the Signal (or Telegram, or WhatsApp) island to be drifting away--it's not dissimilar. This also ejects Zulip--which is quite nice, IMO--and Mattermost-- which is not--and similar because when you've already got Slack and Discord fighting for cognitive space, a third option had better be step-change better, and they're not.

> It feels like an accident of history that's led to it's ascendency.

Sure? It was good enough, soon enough. Other things weren't good enough or soon enough.

> I'd much prefer to have something Reddit-like (structured around topics, asynchronous). I find chat-style to be good for... well... chatting. And worse for everything else.

Great, but most people...don't, and it's not hard to understand why. Chat has won because the world is an increasingly frustrating place and people have steadily decreasing ability to care about fucking with stuff. Forums are, for the most part, fucking with stuff. And worse: it's fucking with stuff for an unclear payout with regards to the thing that the prospective visitor cares about.

Other people don't care about your stuff as much as you care about your stuff, and that's not a dig, that's just how people's brains work. You can go stand alone, and appeal to the sliver who want to deal with creating an account and validating an email address and figuring out where the reply button is (oops it was the post button, now I created a new thread and people think I'm a rude jerk)...or you can use the thing everybody already does use, understands, and at least is willing to tolerate.

Unless you have a forum that has a genuine raison d'etre to stand alone as a thing, and are willing to consider a low-cut filter a feature of your community, it's a bad choice. And if you do qualify for those maybe it's a great choice, but most things simply do not.

Something Awful provides a real reason to be a distinct thing. Most other attempts at forums don't, regardless of topic.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Ladybird looks amazing. Just as I was losing faith that building a browser from scratch today was an almost impossible task that only a big company could pull off, they proved otherwise. I compiled it and added packages to install on openSUSE for this in the readme... which was easy because you don't need much to build this browser! And it builds in a few minutes. I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the…

> I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the community (because I strongly believe in [1]). While I understand this preference and am sympathetic to it, I hope this means that you're doing the (heavy, thankless) work to make IRC or mailing lists more reasonably usable for a modern audience on modern devices. Email's problem is mostly just that email has been rendered almost useless by bad affordances acros…

Zulip has a better and faster interface than Discord IMO, and it's published under the Apache 2 license, making it free software:

https://github.com/zulip/zulip

I've been using it at https://oilshell.zulipchat.com/ for over 5 years now, it's great

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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I'm looking mostly at what it could be. Ladybird has every potential of becoming the Linux of web browsers. And it took Linux what, over a decade to mostly displace the competition in the server space. These types of projects are long term, but public perception matters. Making waves matters. The audacious possibility that it might just succeed matters.

Isn't Firefox already the Linux of web browsers?

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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Thank you! The sponsor has asked to remain anonymous for now. There are no strings attached, although we do stay in touch. :)

What are the chances it's Google or Apple?

Maybe it's Notch. It'd make sense to me.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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> I wish Discord was not mandatory to interact with the community (because I strongly believe in [1]). While I understand this preference and am sympathetic to it, I hope this means that you're doing the (heavy, thankless) work to make IRC or mailing lists more reasonably usable for a modern audience on modern devices. Email's problem is mostly just that email has been rendered almost useless by bad affordances acros…

Zulip has a better and faster interface than Discord IMO, and it's published under the Apache 2 license, making it free software: https://github.com/zulip/zulip I've been using it at https://oilshell.zulipchat.com/ for over 5 years now, it's great

As I mentioned in a sibling, I quite like Zulip. But its problem is pretty simply that people have limited attention span, willingness to change, and most people in the tech space already have Slack on the brain and Discord is probably at least passingly familiar.

Asking people to put up with a third thing--a third set of ways to do things, a third app on the taskbar or on the phone--is asking a lot of people in the current hellscape. (It's a lot like how most groups just quietly let that one person who only uses Telegram and won't use Signal/WhatsApp/the group preference du jour...drift away.) That's not Zulip's fault, but also kind of disqualifying unless you consider that filter a feature. And if that's a feature to you, your desire for a community is probably nontrivially smaller and stubbier than that of folks who are using Discord in the first place.

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