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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by DexesTTP »

lemper wrote: post #31
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Andreas my guy! congrats! and I'm sure many people have asked this request: please integrate adblocking to Ladybird.

Well, good news about that, a simplified version of adblocking through content filtering[0] is already part of Ladybird (and has been part of Browser[1], the version of Ladybird integrated in Serenity, for a while). There is even a video[2] where Andreas implemented it!

[0] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Ladybird/...

[1] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Userland/...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc22wPqpaBQ

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by rhdunn »

diath wrote: post #78
jdthedisciple wrote: post #76

Great to see this! However, I see Windows is supported only via WSL. If this is to be adopted by the mainstream then perhaps native Windows support becomes paramount at some point.

This is mostly because Ladybird is just a way to test LibWeb and other components outside of SerenityOS, it also purposefully doesn't have a lot of usability features and instead is packed with debug features. I assume that in the future somebody will build a proper browser UI with native support for Windows.

The various components need porting to Windows. Several attempts have been made, but thus far none have done al that is needed to make it work.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by [deleted] »

DexesTTP wrote: post #121
lemper wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Andreas my guy! congrats! and I'm sure many people have asked this request: please integrate adblocking to Ladybird.

Well, good news about that, a simplified version of adblocking through content filtering[0] is already part of Ladybird (and has been part of Browser[1], the version of Ladybird integrated in Serenity, for a while). There is even a video[2] where Andreas implemented it! [0] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Ladybird/... [1] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Userland/... [2] https://w…

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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by vkoskiv »

lemper wrote: post #31
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends! I am very excited about this indeed :) If you’d like to know more about Ladybird, I did a presentation about it at the Web Engines Hackfest in Spain just two weeks ago: https://youtu.be/De8N1zrQwRs

Andreas my guy! congrats! and I'm sure many people have asked this request: please integrate adblocking to Ladybird.

Basic pattern-based content filtering is already built right into LibWeb[1]. I spot 851 patterns that get filtered currently [2].

1: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Userland/... 2: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Base/home...

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by Frotag »

andybak wrote: post #72
toastercat wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes me think, has anyone created a Discord bot that automatically archives chats? Preferably as HTML files similar to Pidgin? That would be great.

I suspect it's against the Discord TOS - but even if it's not there's a bunch of community expectations to manage. For recent forums we've added a disclaimer to the channel discription notifying people that we might make the contents web public at some point. Discord also encourages certain usage patterns that are unhealthy. Threads are rarely used and have poor discoverability, search is incredibly limited etc.

Someone stirred up a bit of drama doing something similar a few years ago. The biggest difference is that they were selling it and harvesting it without any consent from users or server admins.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221205181242/https://www.reddi...

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by mcpackieh »

bruce511 wrote: post #6

For more context see [1]. At first glance I felt that 100k wasn't really going to move the needle in creating a new browser engine but in fact (after reading the link below) it's not insignificant. There are a lot of contributers to this project, and funding the project lead is a big step in the right direction. Realistically another browser engine really isn't needed. 2 is enough. Given the scale of the work involve…

What would 100k for Mozilla do? According to their 2021 Form 990 (the latest made public) a hundred thousand dollars would pay for 6.5 days of Mitchell Baker. Does that really seem like a good use of money to you? You're free to donate your own money if so..

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by andybak »

marcinzm wrote: post #118
andybak wrote: post #97

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I'm more concerned about the people that need help with something, but don't ask on Discord for any number of reasons. I suspect 1000 people use Google to solve a problem for every 1 that joins a Discord and asks.

That depends. Would you take a public forum where no one ever answers questions and fixes are never implemented and the contributors feel burned out, or a Discord where questions do get answered? The OP clearly said their project got significantly more involvement since moving to Discord. The problem with lack of community involvement is that it puts more work on the contributors which means less questions are answer…

> Would you take a public forum where no one ever answers questions and fixes are never implemented and the contributors feel burned out, or a Discord where questions do get answered?

I don't understand why these are the only choices offered. In fact - they feel fairly orthogonal. There's nothing about Discord that makes supporting a community easier - in fact I would argue it's demonstrably worse than many alternatives. It feels like an accident of history that's led to it's ascendency.

As someone that does maintain a community. I'd much prefer to have something Reddit-like (structured around topics, asynchronous). I find chat-style to be good for... well... chatting. And worse for everything else.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by mcpackieh »

harrisi wrote: post #85
hardware2win wrote: post #83

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Is IRC google searchable?

In my experience, there is usually some percentage of people that archive whatever channels they use. Sometimes they will put them up on a website. There's also nothing stopping anyone from doing that, and it's quite easy. I've always just had irssi running on some server that archives everything and I ssh into the server when I want to chat.

While it is true that many public IRC channels publish logs on the web, I cannot remember the last time such a log ever showed up in my google results. It virtually never happens. If somebody's primary concern with discord is search engine indexing (rather than discord being a for-profit company, not a federated service? rather than the discord desktop app spying on the other programs you run? rather than discord requiring most people to hand over their phone number to use the service?) then surely they have the precise same beef with IRC if they stop to think about it.

Honestly, not being indexed by google is the least offensive aspect of discord. For most people these days I think it is actually a benefit. Tides are changing, common people are becoming apprehensive about their words being immortalized in some ledger easily accessible to the public which future employers will be able to trawl through for disqualifying out-of-context remarks. The objective in such chat rooms like discord and IRC is to make ephemeral connections to other people and discuss things in the moment, not to build up a semi-permanent corpus of information for the benefit of people googling things in the future.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by Sakos »

bunga-bunga wrote: post #117
Sakos wrote: post #62

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Because Google retains tight control over Chromium and outsiders generally have no say in important decisions/changes. If Google kills support for one image format in favor of their own, that basically means every Chromium fork doesn't support that format. That said, most modern browsers already are forks of Chromium. It'd be nice to have a third option that isn't just Google or Google-funded.

“Chromium browsers” are not actual forks, they’re still the same Chrome. What they could do, as GP suggested, is actually fork an existing engine and start with a working foundation that’s already compatible with the existing web. Note: Google did it, they forked WebKit and now nobody calls Edge a “WebKit browser” Today people complain that Safari and Firefox are “the new IE” because they don’t keep up with the slew…

Oh, right. Didn't see it from that angle, my bad.

All the current "forks" of Chromium basically rely on continued development by Google, saving them from having to invest in all the engineers necessary to work on, maintain and develop a proper fork. So they can limit the size of their engineering teams to what's necessary for developing surface-level features like vertical tabs (Edge) or built-in adblocking and ... uh ... crypto (Brave).

I'd say Microsoft throwing in the towel and building a flavour of Chromium instead shows that there's no corporation out there that's going to be willing to make a real fork.

The only reason why Ladybird exists at all is because it's a part of SerenityOS, which was started because the founder wanted to make his own OS for daily use. Like, of course the guy's gonna write his own browser instead of just forking Chromium.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by jedisct1 »

xvilka wrote: post #12

Congratulations! I wish someone would sponsor completing Servo as fast as possible, or completing rewriting of Firefox in Rust.

Have you actually looked at it/tried to contribute to it?

Servo was a promising experiment, but it eventually became a massive, complicated, unmaintainable mess.

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