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Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by andybak »

SecretDreams wrote: post #68
andybak wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable? How do you feel about the fact that the long-term survival of this knowledge is at the whim of a company that is mostly focused on the gaming community and has no vested interest in preservation over longer time periods? When was the last time you found an answer to a question…

> How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable? No different than an office workspace no?

Discord is a replacement for IRC, forums and mailing lists - not for hanging out in meat-space.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by andybak »

toastercat wrote: post #69
yrro wrote: post #67

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Have you considered logging what's said in each channel and publishing it to your project's web site?

That makes me think, has anyone created a Discord bot that automatically archives chats? Preferably as HTML files similar to Pidgin? That would be great.

I suspect it's against the Discord TOS - but even if it's not there's a bunch of community expectations to manage. For recent forums we've added a disclaimer to the channel discription notifying people that we might make the contents web public at some point.

Discord also encourages certain usage patterns that are unhealthy. Threads are rarely used and have poor discoverability, search is incredibly limited etc.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by losvedir »

Wow, congrats!

Does this change anything about the feel of working on it, I wonder? Until now, it has been a real passion project. I wonder if this will make working on it more of a chore, or if it will affect the "roadmap".

I hope someone donates $100k to the programming language project of theirs next.

And lastly, the most important thing is for him to stay sober. My understanding of the whole "serenity" project was as an alternative to drinking that was fun and fulfilling. I hope the money doesn't cause stress, or otherwise change what the project is or how it works, such that it no longer works for its original and primary function.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by pocketarc »

toastercat wrote: post #69
yrro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered logging what's said in each channel and publishing it to your project's web site?

That makes me think, has anyone created a Discord bot that automatically archives chats? Preferably as HTML files similar to Pidgin? That would be great.

I've thought about this in the past, it's not difficult to do. I've used the Discord API in the past, you can listen to literally all messages that happen in the server. Streaming those into a DB and displaying them in a web-based UI (with Pidgin-like HTML export) would be straightforward. Maybe that'll be my next weekend's project.

Edit: My sibling mentions the appropriateness of such a thing, and I do think letting users know that their messages will be posted on the web is important, but either way, if it's a public channel of a FOSS project's Discord server, surely people understand that those messages aren't private to begin with, right?

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by marcinzm »

andybak wrote: post #55
simonw wrote: post #48

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I resisted starting a Discord for my open source projects for years. With hindsight that was a mistake. I finally created one a year ago and it had a huge impact on the velocity of the project - I now have active engagement with users and a growing pool of contributors and collaborators, all thanks to that group. I think often it's important to prioritize reducing friction to getting involved over (very rational) res…

How do you feel about the fact that all your institutional knowledge is now not visible outside of Discord, not indexed and barely searchable? How do you feel about the fact that the long-term survival of this knowledge is at the whim of a company that is mostly focused on the gaming community and has no vested interest in preservation over longer time periods? When was the last time you found an answer to a question…

My experience with semi-private chats in modern times is that it encourages more conversation that are visible to more people since everything people say is not going to be trivially searchable for all time by anyone. In the age where the media and those with an axe to grind (and frankly the person interviewing you for a job in 10 years) have figured out how to dig up anything you ever said in under 10 minutes the web ideal is less than ideal. Part of learning is saying stupid things and semi-private forums makes that easier I feel.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by npn »

FpUser wrote: post #27

Congrats for such a nice acknowledgement of your work. While looking at their other project I am curious that the author has decided to invent their own memory safe language currently implemented as transpiler to C++ written in Rust. Why not to just use Rust as their system language. I can imagine potential nightmares when debugging such concoction.

> written in Rust

What? From my knowledge Jakt is written in C++ and Jakt itself, not Rust.

Sure the first implementation was written in Rust but it was quickly replaced when Adreas took over the project.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by diath »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #76

Great to see this! However, I see Windows is supported only via WSL. If this is to be adopted by the mainstream then perhaps native Windows support becomes paramount at some point.

This is mostly because Ladybird is just a way to test LibWeb and other components outside of SerenityOS, it also purposefully doesn't have a lot of usability features and instead is packed with debug features. I assume that in the future somebody will build a proper browser UI with native support for Windows.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by Y_Y »

Sakos wrote: post #59
LeFantome wrote: post #46

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As a multi-decade long Firefox user, I am going to say no. Firefox is produced by a single company and its users are completely beholden to the choices that the company makes. In some ways, Chromium is closer to being the Linux of browsers. There are multiple “distributions” or instances of the technology ( Chrome, Edge, Brave, and others ). There is at least some collaboration on the core. Chromium is not developed…

Agreed. There are far more differences/changes between Chromium-based browsers than Firefox ones (which just remove Mozilla telemetry or provide a way to use old-style extensions). It really was a huge shame that they chose to base Edge on Chromium instead and I feel it points to clear issues in Firefox that prevent it from being the Linux of browsers. I do wonder what's so wrong with FF that nobody wants to base the…

> I do wonder what's so wrong with FF that nobody wants to base their fork on it.

It's compatibility. I use Firefox now it less exclusively, and sometimes I'll need to go on some "normie" website to book a flight or something and the Continue button will be broken or some shit. Seems like lots of web devs will just make the sure works in Chrome and call it a day.

Re: I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser

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Post by diath »

FpUser wrote: post #27

Congrats for such a nice acknowledgement of your work. While looking at their other project I am curious that the author has decided to invent their own memory safe language currently implemented as transpiler to C++ written in Rust. Why not to just use Rust as their system language. I can imagine potential nightmares when debugging such concoction.

IIRC it was just the bootstrap compiler that was written in Rust, these days Jakt is written in Jakt.
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