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Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by lelanthran »

mplanchard wrote: post #202
mindslight wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So many responses aren't getting the point of this comment. Cops are basically trying to sort "good people" from "bad people", despite how regressive that is. Often times you'll get pulled over while being "guilty" of something that is completely understandable (newly broken tail light) or mostly used as a pretext to pull people over to investigate other things (5-10 mph over in most areas). If you stay terse with th…

Heck you don’t have to be rude to not answer their questions. If you’re young you can even blame your parents: “Sorry officer but my parents advised me to never answer any questions without my lawyer, so that’s what I’m doing.” As an older person, if you want to deflect blame, you can blame your lawyer, your LEO cousin, or anyone else you want.

> If you’re young you can even blame your parents: “Sorry officer but my parents advised me to never answer any questions without my lawyer, so that’s what I’m doing.”

This is the best advice for young people: if you say you're taking your parent's advice, there's a number of advantages:

a) You're not being rude,

b) You're coming across as someone who obeys authority,

c) It's nothing personal,

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by lelanthran »

PaulHoule wrote: post #15

Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.

> Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty.

You don't need training for that. Most everyone assumes that a cagey person is hiding something :-/

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hknmtt »

cwillu wrote: post #46
hknmtt wrote: post #31

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they most certainly cannot detain you without a cause. in the context of what you wrote, if you do not have your id, which is not mandatory to carry, they can detain you for 48 hours in order to establish your identity, but if they fail they have to let you go.

You agree that they can detain you for something that isn't mandatory.

you can identify yourself with myriad of other documents - official or not. you can also explain your identity verbally and it might suffice.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by lambertsimnel »

lost_tourist wrote: post #212
lambertsimnel wrote: post #151

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Although that helps to deal with pickpockets, can't thieves still demand your passport at gunpoint/knife-point, if they know the police require you to carry it?

what good is a passport to 99% of muggers?

Is a stolen passport any less useful to muggers than to pickpockets?

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by 93po »

mindslight wrote: post #195
tyingq wrote: post #143

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> This is clear cut. Sort of. So you're pulled over for a brake light that's out. Then, they start asking "Where are you coming from?", "Why are you here?", "Do you live near here? (when they already have your address)", "If you're coming from that far, why don't you have luggage?" etc. I guess you can try to give as terse an answer as possible without coming across as rude? Saying nothing is your right, but they hav…

So many responses aren't getting the point of this comment. Cops are basically trying to sort "good people" from "bad people", despite how regressive that is. Often times you'll get pulled over while being "guilty" of something that is completely understandable (newly broken tail light) or mostly used as a pretext to pull people over to investigate other things (5-10 mph over in most areas). If you stay terse with th…

If a cop lets how nice you are influence whether they ticket you, they are corrupt and making a joke of their profession. Cops don’t ask you questions to be conversational. They do it because they want to fuck you.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by 93po »

HyperSane wrote: post #123
abashedtemplate wrote: post #120

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your mind has been corrupted by US propaganda

What does the US have to do with The Netherlands required people to have ID at all times?

he's implying that cops mistreating foreigners and brown people isn't true and that US media has portrayed this as a thing when it isn't one

to be clear, my stance is BLM/ACAB

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by AlbertCory »

mindslight wrote: post #208
x86x87 wrote: post #205

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nah. this is exactly the type of behavior that gets people in trouble. a cop is not your friend and this is not social hour. if we are running on anecdotal evidence: every time I got a ticket I got it dismissed. 25mph zone, 40mph zone, freeway, school zone you name it. they do their number and "bark" at you. you get the ticket and take care of it later. btw: traffic tickets are a racket. to give you an example: 72 in…

You've had much better luck than me getting tickets dismissed. I'm sure it's a jurisdiction thing. Also faster than 30 mph on the 405? Your story doesn't check out. When was your last drink tonight, sir?

I've challenged tickets. Once the cop didn't show, twice he did. Of those latter, I won one and lost one.

They get paid for their time, so it's not as though it's volunteer work.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by kar5pt »

mplanchard wrote: post #139
paulpauper wrote: post #137

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what if you are asked to identify yourself such as for a speeding ticket or a Terry stop. I don't think it's clear cut.

This is clear cut. There are situations where you are legally obligated to interact with the police, like providing your identification at a traffic stop. In any other situation, you should avoid interaction with the police.

Does the average non-lawyer know when they're obligated to answer the police? I don't think I do.
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