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European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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> so slightly thicker. Maybe if they decrease size of display, it wouldn't be that bulky. And we would finally get a phone again that is not wannabe tablet.

> Maybe if they decrease size of display But how are you gonna show all the ads, dark patterns and newsletter signup forms? We can't afford to miss out on all that growth and engagement.

Small screen size doesn’t stop them. They just block the entire screen with that junk!

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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If the battery was easier to replace, the phones would still end up unusable either because the storage would wear out, the cell modem would become obsolete, the display would get burnin, or someone would drop it and crack the screen.

I'm sorry but what? I replaced my previous mobile (OnePlus3) because of the battery - after about 4-5 years it became quite difficult to get through the day on single charge, and in the world where everything is getting more "electronic" (tickets!) it became a problem. Yes, id didn't have newest 5G, but guess what - my new phone has it yet I don't have coverage. Storage could wear out but are you really doing load IO…

That's a sample of one but we're talking about millions in different countries here and a bit longer timescale than here. I don't think phones could last say 10 years with battery swaps and nothing else.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The EU isn't making good regulation, they don't have any tech companies and are just attempting to make it illegal to make anything in a fit of pique. The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore. Europe has an unhealthy culture of naturalistic hippiedom, so this is just the same thing that causes Germany to shut down nuclear power. (If you think this one's good, try combining it with their six other gia…

This is some weird fantasy comment. Please do link the other "six giant laws that conflict".

GDPR, DMA, Cyber Resilience Act, Ecodesign Directive, the one in development about proactive CSAM scanning…

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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The EU isn't making good regulation, they don't have any tech companies and are just attempting to make it illegal to make anything in a fit of pique. The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore. Europe has an unhealthy culture of naturalistic hippiedom, so this is just the same thing that causes Germany to shut down nuclear power. (If you think this one's good, try combining it with their six other gia…

The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore. Really? Are you claiming that capitalists are so much of a fool that instead of making, say, half the profit they were making before in an unregulated market, they would readily prefer to make 0 profits? The reality is that if American BigTech exit the EU market, then some local or non-American competitor will step in to fill the vacuum. Or have you already f…

Yes, I'm aware of how economic protectionism works.

The reason Nokia instantly failed when the US entered the market is because their products were bad and nerdy and they couldn't do good software. eg when they got an iPhone and their reaction was to do low level optimizations of their boring UI to make it 60fps instead of having a nice UI instead.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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This is some weird fantasy comment. Please do link the other "six giant laws that conflict".

GDPR, DMA, Cyber Resilience Act, Ecodesign Directive, the one in development about proactive CSAM scanning…

To pick one, how does GDPR conflict with this battery regulation?

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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This is apples to oranges. Feature phones weren't a substitute for personal computers. They weren't as necessary of an accessory as it is today. On the other hand, standards governing how those phones worked weren't changing as fast, so, given good care, you could use your phone for 10+ years. Updates today are a way to force users into buying a new phone (eg. my banking up decided not to support an older version of…

> Feature phones weren't a substitute for personal computers. They weren't as necessary of an accessory as it is today. On the other hand, standards governing how those phones worked weren't changing as fast, so, given good care, you could use your phone for 10+ years. I am quite sure that many people across the African continent and Asian see it differently. Specially those that were using Symbian devices.

I'm mostly familiar with North Afrika, but I can tell you this: at that time in places like Egypt or Morocco you couldn't access government services from your Nokia, it wasn't a thing. 2FA was unheard of. Contactless payment is still a novelty, but definitely didn't exist at the time prior to smartphones. There weren't banking apps.

Best you could do on your phone is to play snake or send an email.

And if we are talking about places like Zimbabwe... there might have been like a hundred cell-phones in the entire country.

As for Asian countries? -- well, places like Japan or Hong Kong weren't much different from Europe. Places like India or China, by and large, didn't have coverage. Even relatively well-off Russia only had cell towers in and around big cities. In Russia at that time there were very few people able to afford a high-end Nokia phone, but even if they had one, those wouldn't be the people who needed a replacement for a PC, nor would they ever use their phone in such capacity. Due to poor economical situation all electronics were seen as a way to prevent wealth from depreciating. Few people who did buy expensive cell phones had no interest in using their advanced abilities, nor was there anything to use such a phone for.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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These phones are unusable in a large part because of marketplace lock-in, and in another large part due to unavailable drivers. These things cannot be changed through "grassroots movement", these need to be recognized as mobile phone companies violations of consumer rights and be treated as such.

Not all of them are unusable. Fairphone and shiftphone are more expensive, but perfectly usable. -- sent from my Fairphone 4

Fairphone runs Android... it's part of the problem, not part of a solution.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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post #585

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GDPR, DMA, Cyber Resilience Act, Ecodesign Directive, the one in development about proactive CSAM scanning…

To pick one, how does GDPR conflict with this battery regulation?

"Some of which".

The people on here saying phone OSes should be open source and unlocked to make them last longer will find the ecodesign and security regulations actually encourage locking them down so you can't break them.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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What a bunch of crock. I have this new Nokia phone with a replaceable battery. It came with the pin you can use to open it (probably costs a few cents to manufacture, but if I had plenty of time to spare, I could've made one with a sturdy piece of plastic and sandpaper). The "mechanism" that keeps the back panel is just a piece of rubber, probably the same kind you find on hermetically sealing food containers. Also,…

> Also, very few people want their phones water-proof (what for?). This is insane. So that rain doesn’t destroy it? So that spilling a drink doesn’t destroy it? So that dropping it in the toilet doesn’t destroy it?

Before cell phones were common, wrist watches were. Very few of them were water-proof, and very few people wanted them to be.

Yes, if you were stupid and went swimming with your wrist-watch you would've killed it... and every now and then I'd hear a story about how something like that happened.

Water-proof watches were seen as a luxury, however small, that nobody really needed outside of like scuba divers.

I don't even know if my phone is water proof or not, and I had it since 2016. I never tried swimming with it or leaving it outside in the rain or doing any of the other stupid things you listed... why would any sane person do something like that?

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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post #494

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What a bunch of crock. I have this new Nokia phone with a replaceable battery. It came with the pin you can use to open it (probably costs a few cents to manufacture, but if I had plenty of time to spare, I could've made one with a sturdy piece of plastic and sandpaper). The "mechanism" that keeps the back panel is just a piece of rubber, probably the same kind you find on hermetically sealing food containers. Also,…

It’s literally the most commonly used tool, hell, I have my phone on me more times than even my shoes! Of course I want it to be waterproof, people get their phones wet from any number of things, sudden rain, kid hosing you, phone falling into the sink, etc.

> people get their phones wet

No, they don't. And those who do have to expose their phones to extreme conditions might buy a protective case. Very few people expose their phones to conditions they know to endanger electronics... it's common sense not to use electronics underwater, unless it's the special kind that's designed to do that.

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