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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by dccoolgai »

Recent case in point: Walt Nauta, who got charged along with Trump. Had he just kept his mouth shut, he probably wouldn't have been charged, but they got him dead-to-rights saying stuff they're pretty sure they can prove he was lying about. And this is it "working the way it should".

The darker version is a Federal Agent says you told him something you didn't even say because it helps the case he's building. He asks you to repeat it on record and when you balk, he threatens you with a felony for "lying to a federal agent".

Don't ever do it, even if it's an investigation you're sympathetic to. If _your_ lawyer is there taking notes, they know there's less shenanigans they can pull.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by Aerbil313 »

Garrrrrr wrote: post #65
Aerbil313 wrote: post #42

Haha. First time submitting a link (and it blowing up, it’s on page 4!). I’m in wonder how I did unleash all this stream of comments, as my eyes are fixed on the karma point, reloading the page, watching it increase like it never did before, despising myself for that at the same time for falling to the gamification and thinking it’s time to nuke my HN account.

reposting good videos gets you a long way I guess. 'karma' isn't very real here or anywhere

I didn’t have much of an intention of boosting my karma btw. I just saw this video linked on HN today in another thread.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by ajross »

hyperman1 wrote: post #44
hknmtt wrote: post #33

remember, the police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prevent it. they don't care who they punish as long as they can add your number to their statistics. they are NOT your friends. that's just childhood brainwashing.

The USA police is a bit of an exception here, being overly militarized, not kept in check by judges and politicians, and historically having a side job of fugitive slave catchers. Around the world, the core job of the police is more: Restore the public peace. They can forgive transgressions in public if you demonstrate further disturbance of peace will cease. They have to maintain a reasonable level of fairness, or t…

Corrupt law enforcement is hardly a US invention. That's frankly just silly. In fact US police are... middle of the pack at worst. It's true that there are some policy implications in the US that seem weird, in particular the level of weaponry deployed and the politicization of activist slogans like "Defund", but if anything that speaks to police behavior in the US being more criticized and more constrained.

America is fine, basically. Yes, cops are empowered bullies who do bad things. But that's been true for thousands of years. We're farther down the path to trying to fix that, not behind.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hashier »

atomflunder wrote: post #81
morsch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same in Germany, but I still wouldn't expect the police to ask for my ID when asking for directions. The fact that you need to be able to identify yourself when asked doesn't mean that they are supposed to ask for it for every interaction.

IANAL, but 99% sure that the situation in Germany is that you have to identify yourself (give name, birthday, (address?)), but you /don‘t/ have to carry (or show) your government issued ID at all times.

I actually recently asked a German police person the exact same question if I have to have my ID/passport with me at all times. The answer was “no, you just need to own one or the other”.

I always thought as well that there is “Ausweispflicht” (ID carrying obligatory) in Germany.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by freetime2 »

OscarCunningham wrote: post #56
Johnny555 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any country where it's advantageous to speak more than required to the police? (I'm sure there are some countries where you're required to speak more than in the USA where you're legally allowed not to speak at all without a lawyer)

I've heard that in Japan conviction rates at trial are something like 98%. So presumably you don't lose anything by trying to convince the cops of your innocence.

Japan also allows police to detain suspects for long periods without filing charges or providing access to an attorney. [1] So in practice you may have no choice but to talk to the police (or even confess).

[1] https://apjjf.org/2020/13/IbusukiRepeta.html

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by Spivak »

a2tech wrote: post #57
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

That would definitely be surprising for most Americans. Many of us (like my wife) never carry id unless they plan on driving.

And technically you don't have to have your ID on your person when driving. In some states you might be issued a fine if you make the officer mad but it's not a crime and you won't be arrested.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by morsch »

atomflunder wrote: post #81
morsch wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same in Germany, but I still wouldn't expect the police to ask for my ID when asking for directions. The fact that you need to be able to identify yourself when asked doesn't mean that they are supposed to ask for it for every interaction.

IANAL, but 99% sure that the situation in Germany is that you have to identify yourself (give name, birthday, (address?)), but you /don‘t/ have to carry (or show) your government issued ID at all times.

You don't have to carry it, no. But if you don't carry your ID (or equivalent) and they have a reason to ask for it (e.g. you are a suspect of a crime), they can require you to take them wherever you keep your ID or to the station.

I figured it worked the same in the Netherlands, but from what I can tell it's true that you always need to carry it and you can get fined if you don't. So quite a bit more strict. That sucks.

https://de.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Rechte_und_Pflichten_im_Umga... (German)

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by yieldcrv »

paulpauper wrote: post #67
yieldcrv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

Traveling to foreign lands entails different rules and customs, which means new possible risks. Too many people think that their values or rules are universal. I think this is a major cognitive blind spot. It's like traveling to foreign lands with their different rules and customs is not such a smart idea, overall. Error on the side of caution.

or just don’t think your values and rules are universal

travel frequently changes my aspirations from being exposed to things that I didnt know were options

there are a lot of developed nations out there now, I dont know where your frame of reference is from, but some of those developed nations are very far ahead of superpowers in a variety of ways that could be beneficial to you

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by some_random »

hyperman1 wrote: post #44
hknmtt wrote: post #33

remember, the police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prevent it. they don't care who they punish as long as they can add your number to their statistics. they are NOT your friends. that's just childhood brainwashing.

The USA police is a bit of an exception here, being overly militarized, not kept in check by judges and politicians, and historically having a side job of fugitive slave catchers. Around the world, the core job of the police is more: Restore the public peace. They can forgive transgressions in public if you demonstrate further disturbance of peace will cease. They have to maintain a reasonable level of fairness, or t…

It's so funny reading this after scrolling past a bunch of Western Europeans (what I assume you mean by "around the world", since that's almost always what's meant) talking about how they can be arrested for not carrying identification on them at all times. As an American, it sounds like your judges and politicians haven't even tried to keep them in check.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by culopatin »

aziaziazi wrote: post #82
yieldcrv wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

In my experience the general advice is : “Always carry with you a copy printed of your passport while leaving the original locked at the hotel”.

This is useless in any real situation. Gives you a false sense of security but no one will take a copy seriously.
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