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European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

Jochim wrote: post #534
scarface_74 wrote: post #438

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Only if you kept the flap on the headphone jack… https://www.gottabemobile.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-water-test-d... .

According to the article, the flap was to protect the USB port. The other internals were protected by an internal gasket on the removable back cover.

Only if you made absolutely sure that the battery was secured tightly - from the same article. Out of the 200M+ iPhones that Apple sells every year, how many people do you think wouldn’t put the battery and the cover on perfectly?

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by bscphil »

pmoriarty wrote: post #378
pwg wrote: post #311

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IP permissions, i.e., copyrights, are not natural rights, they are instead government "grants" of protection. And protection granted by government decree can also be taken away by government decree. So no "permission" to release would be necessary if government's modified ther copyright laws to withdraw their granted protections after some "event" occurred. The bigger problem is not the permission, it is actually fin…

"IP permissions, i.e., copyrights, are not natural rights, they are instead government "grants" of protection" There's no such thing as a natural right, period. They're all imaginary creations of humans.

The difference is one of justification: we accord "natural" rights to human beings on the basis of the belief that every person is valuable and deserves certain protections and opportunities (e.g. a right to life, a right to education). Non-natural rights are instead determined on the basis of the belief that they provide an on-net benefit to the general welfare, even if not every person needs them or benefits from them.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by ktosobcy »

astrange wrote: post #329
ktosobcy wrote: post #315

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I don't. I just want it splash resistant - it's more than enough. just because there is a promile of morons that can't handle the phone doesn't mean that a lots of users should be prohibited from easily changing the battery... because of that lots of devices end up on landslide because users can't get enough charge I fit anymore... I loved lumia devices - easily openable back to replace battery, nice materials (rubbe…

If the battery was easier to replace, the phones would still end up unusable either because the storage would wear out, the cell modem would become obsolete, the display would get burnin, or someone would drop it and crack the screen.

I'm sorry but what? I replaced my previous mobile (OnePlus3) because of the battery - after about 4-5 years it became quite difficult to get through the day on single charge, and in the world where everything is getting more "electronic" (tickets!) it became a problem.

Yes, id didn't have newest 5G, but guess what - my new phone has it yet I don't have coverage. Storage could wear out but are you really doing load IO test on it? screen burnin/crack... maybe if someone is glued to the phone "24/7" and doesn't take care of the device... but as I said - using good policarbon materials (including for screen!) would get rid of this problem mostly...

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by evilos »

scarface_74 wrote: post #530
evilos wrote: post #496

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Apparently the brand new iphone 14! https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown The new law apparently doesn't require a user to be able to replace the battery by hand. Just that it is serviceable.

The iPhone has always been serviceable by an authorized Apple dealer or if you’re good enough and brave enough by the end user wiling to use the iFixit guide.

So, you're saying the answer to your own question was "basically all iphones"?

I think the new law would basically mean the end user doesn't have to deal with glue now at least.

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Post by Jochim »

scarface_74 wrote: post #543
Jochim wrote: post #540

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You repeat this everywhere. The port requiring a flap has no bearing on the waterproofing of the battery which used an entirely separately gasket on the back cover. You can clearly see here[0] that the gasket on the flap protects only the USB port from water ingress. The battery and sim are protected by the grey gasket on the rear cover. The opening for the rear speakers in the back cover reinforces the fact that the…

And you had to make really sure that the battery was completely secured when you replaced it. There was even a warning on the screen. https://www.gottabemobile.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-water-test-d ... > If you remove the battery, the Galaxy S5 will remind you to make sure the back cover is back in place securely. reply

Making sure a rear cover has snapped into place is much less prone to failure than acquiring tools and applying heat to a glued on rear cover, de-soldering/disconnecting a battery and evenly re-applying and heating new glue.

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Post by evilos »

kaba0 wrote: post #499
evilos wrote: post #393

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Because the cost of the waste these throw-away phones generate isn't priced in. There is a societal cost that isn't being paid by the firm or the consumer. Honestly, it probably only adds a few bucks to the BOM and the consumer who doesn't care about repairability still likely comes out better off in the long run because their phone lasts them longer and/or resells for more because it isn't junk after 3 years.

Iphones are arguably not too repairable, yet they absolutely dominate the whole market in their lifetimes - often having 2-3 owners.

Yeah iphones were premium/valuable enough that people would go through the trouble to repair them even if they had to deal with some glue.

With android phones the resale value/demand wasn't there (also due in part to bad software support lifetimes which would also need to be addressed) so they'd just get tossed/shelved after 2 to 3 years even if they were perfectly functional.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by Jochim »

scarface_74 wrote: post #551
Jochim wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the article, the flap was to protect the USB port. The other internals were protected by an internal gasket on the removable back cover.

Only if you made absolutely sure that the battery was secured tightly - from the same article. Out of the 200M+ iPhones that Apple sells every year, how many people do you think wouldn’t put the battery and the cover on perfectly?

The same applies to gluing the rear cover back on, except instead of simply ensuring you've applied enough pressure and the gasket is in good condition, you now need to check that you've soldered the battery properly, positioned the glue correctly, heated the glue enough that it melts but doesn't fry your phone, and applied enough pressure evenly.

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Post by kaba0 »

roenxi wrote: post #545
kaba0 wrote: post #507

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Ridiculous take. Companies optimize for profit, that’s it. Capitalism only optimizes for that. Regulations are the means we can mandate some other values taking any kind of priority. Otherwise we would still have coke putting cocaine into our drinks.

Optimising for profit happens to be more effective than what the EU does. Apple can convince bystanders to spend days working hard to trade for a phone. They do that entirely with good design, strong QAQC and persuasive advertising. The EU gets convinces people to do things with fines and, ultimately, threats of jail time. Now if one design people want to own and the other design only takes hold because of threats an…

So how exactly would capitalism prevent children from working, improve work safety, make food products only contain safe ingredients? All of these are solved through laws and governance.

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Post by scarface_74 »

evilos wrote: post #554
scarface_74 wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPhone has always been serviceable by an authorized Apple dealer or if you’re good enough and brave enough by the end user wiling to use the iFixit guide.

So, you're saying the answer to your own question was "basically all iphones"? I think the new law would basically mean the end user doesn't have to deal with glue now at least.

The answer to my question - was that you could spend $69 - $99 to get a battery replaced by an authorized Apple provider and if they broke something or didn’t do it right, it would be covered under warranty.

Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries

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Post by robertlagrant »

horsawlarway wrote: post #249
robertlagrant wrote: post #234

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Society is not improved if a beaurocrat can nullify people's inventions. Who decides what "using" is? Why do we need to pay taxes to employ those people? We have patent law, which is already a lovely gravy train for the state.

> Society is not improved if a beaurocrat can nullify people's inventions. Who decides what "using" is? This is reversing the natural order of things. That bureaucrat isn't nullifying fucking ANYTHING. That bureaucrat is artificially limiting who is allowed to create/use a thing. The natural state of the information is: "Use this - it's free". The whole of humanity might exist because mirror neurons literally go: "He…

It's hard to know what point you're making, although your aggression is (hopefully) a sign of how extremely you care about this topic.

I agree that patents are odd here, but the solution isn't to patch in more power to bureaucrats over the top of the other power. You seem to be saying this at the end as well, so, as I say, I'm not sure what point you're making. But your excitement on this topic is appreciated.

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