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Note that USB-C was invented after the EU mandated Micro USB. Innovation still happens and the regulations get updated.
How did Apple sell phones in the EU without micro-USB?
Common EPS was a voluntary standard.
European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I paid $99 to get my iPhone XS Max's battery replaced directly by Apple a few weeks back. That phone is almost 5 years old. I really don't think that $99 is unreasonable.
> I really don't think that $99 is unreasonable. I do.
Luxury products have luxury repair costs
Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
#233Feels like, as per usual, people haven’t read the source text.[1] In order to ensure that portable batteries that were incorporated into appliances are subject to separate collection, treatment and high quality recycling once those appliances become waste, provisions to ensure the removability and replaceability of batteries in such appliances are necessary. Consumer safety should be ensured, in line with Union law a…
Pretty sure the iPhone 14 already satisfies this requirement
Only the 14 though IIRC. The 14 Pro is just like the old ones and is one the most complex phones to perform a repair on.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
In 2010 you start a company, wholly owned by you. In 2011 you obtain a patent wholly owned by the company. In 2012 you fail to pay the franchise tax and filing paperwork for your company so the state dissolves it. You don't care because you aren't making money. In 2013 another company starts making a product that infringes on your patent. You are the defacto owner of the patent. This is because you were the owner of…
The purpose of a patent, generally speaking, is to encourage innovation by giving the creator legally protected time in which they can exclusively use that innovation. If they don’t use the innovation but someone else wants to, society is improved by dissolving that patent, even if the owner could theoretically be traced to some person.
Society is not improved if a beaurocrat can nullify people's inventions. Who decides what "using" is? Why do we need to pay taxes to employ those people? We have patent law, which is already a lovely gravy train for the state.
Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
#235I wonder what is the definition of easily removable and replaceable. Does popping a few screws and using a specialized tool qualifies as easy? What about re-sealing the device after to keep the waterproof rating?
The samsung galaxy s5[0] had a easily replaceable battery while keeping its waterproof rating
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Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
#236Also a rule to make laptops be completely off when powered off... not just in some 'sleep' state that turns on and overheats while in a bag. I can't imagine how much laptop battery life is wasted away due to this.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it useful to protect an $800 device from being ruined by accidentally dunking it in a pool, lake, toilet? Yes.
I never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me in 22+ years to ever drop a phone in a pool/lake/toilet. I'm not discussing it being useful, I merely said that it doesn't feel _really_ needed by me. If I had to choose between interchangeable batteries and waterproof I would choose the first one hands down.
You said:
> Is waterproof even a real needed feature?
That comes across as though you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant; it doesn't come across as though you're actually asking the question and willing to listen to the answer. And then, responding to people who answer you with further dismissals of their reasons continues to seem like you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant because you don't use it.
In response to someone saying they don't want to lose an $800 phone to water damage, what value does it add to say "I never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me"? Other people do buy expensive phones, and also, whether expensive or cheap, other people do want to not lose them to water damage, and for that matter, other people do want to use them in environments where they're likely to get wet (e.g. pools/showers/baths).
It comes across as though you're trying to say "but you're wrong to want that", which results in the response you are getting.
Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
#238So how come they aren't making car (EV) batteries replaceable? Ah yes. Europe still has a car industry whereas there is zero phone or computer industry left.
> So how come they aren't making car (EV) batteries replaceable? I don't think 500 kg batteries can ever be easily and quickly user-replaceable, no matter what the EU mandates. You should complain about the laws of physics (or the weakness of humans) rather than make this ridiculous comparison.
GM was prototyping a two part platform concept.
the chassis was drivetrain, and engine in one unit and body/cabin, a separate unit that anchored on.
there was to be few chassis types, and many body types.
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#239Re: European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batteries
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This makes it very difficult to build in replaceable batteries! Except it doesn't. The last two waterproof phones I had had user-replaceable batteries, a USB port, and even a headphone jack. What it does is add a few dollars onto the BOM.
You must be joking if you think its just a BOM adjustment and a small cost... way to oversimplify the actual implementation
Kyocera has been doing it for years.