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Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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> the most self-centered generation in history Boomers? Also I'm not sure cancel culture is a bad thing. It's just negative branding for what is essentially the first time marginalized groups could have their voices heard. People who are used to writing op-eds and never hearing any criticism of their ideas are finally getting some negative feedback and they're super mad about it. You get absolutely unreal outrage abo…

No amount of euphemisms makes up for what cancel culture really is-- cyberbullying at scale. Scott Cawson, the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's, was doxxed, harassed, and had death threats issued against himself and his pregnant wife. His crime against society? Being outed as a Republican political donor. Not a crime, just exercising his right to participate in democracy. His ability to do so was subsequently attac…

> Death threats are an actual crime. They are not free speech. Nobody's been held accountable for that though.

There are laws about this. If they're difficult to enforce then somebody needs to make a decision about how much anonymity to allow on the internet, and other such difficult subjects. That's kind of the world we live in.

You realize that marginalized people get doxxed and have death threats made against them every single day, often multiple times per day, and nobody seems to hear about it? Because again, they're not famous or notable in any way, they have nobody to call up to write that op-ed or have their signal boosted. It doesn't make the threats to their lives less serious. They can't afford the "private security" that people often say they're getting in order to make their death threats seem more serious.

Are you interested in stopping such death threats in general on the internet? It's doable, but you'd have to make some sacrifices.

Almost like how you have to sacrifice being free from criticism if you really want free speech.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#52
I wonder, what are the police doing in this case? These scams appear to target random people in the open so it seems like just setting up honeypot accounts and waiting for scammers to engage with then will yield plenty of information, including a money trail that should lead to whoever is the beneficiary of the scam.

Same thing with phone scams - have carriers route all inactive numbers to a police-run call center where scambaiters not only waste the time of scammers (potentially killing the entire business model of the scams) but also collect information such as the target bank account where the scammed money ends up.

Oh yeah I know, why spend effort investigating actual crime when you have an endless supply of victimless "crime" of people consensually growing/trading/consuming a plant?

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the most self-centered generation in history Boomers? Also I'm not sure cancel culture is a bad thing. It's just negative branding for what is essentially the first time marginalized groups could have their voices heard. People who are used to writing op-eds and never hearing any criticism of their ideas are finally getting some negative feedback and they're super mad about it. You get absolutely unreal outrage abo…

No amount of euphemisms makes up for what cancel culture really is-- cyberbullying at scale. Scott Cawson, the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's, was doxxed, harassed, and had death threats issued against himself and his pregnant wife. His crime against society? Being outed as a Republican political donor. Not a crime, just exercising his right to participate in democracy. His ability to do so was subsequently attac…

> Death threats are an actual crime. Nobody's been held accountable for that though.

That seems like an odd claim to make. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=arrested+for+making+death+threats&...

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#54

Seems simple enough: if someone asks for money on Facebook/Instagram, just say no. Don't buy anything advertised there either.

These days, if anyone is asking for money for any reason, it's usually a scam-- sadly, even if it's a family member. (Fleecing family is always a good way to begin a career in fraud, since they trust by default and are always reluctant to press charges. Ask Bernie Madoff!)

The kids in particular have figured out how to couch grifts in medical care and college tuition-- two outlets donors have no visibility into and cannot expect any sort of accountability for. Raising money and pretending to execute is how the scam generally goes since you can't verify anything.

Good faith is dead. Trust without transparency and you will be exploited.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#55

On Facebook, any time I see someone post with the words 'my account was hacked' they get a dozen automated replies from other users offering services to fix their account. In most cases, the person isn't even hacked, their account was cloned/impersonated. With the kind of money Facebook has, they can't set a honeypot account up and post 'my account was hacked' on it? This has been going on for months.

Same with the bot accounts offering tickets for sale on the event page for concerts. It seems like such low hanging fruit to clean this sort of thing up that should be noticed by anyone who works there and actually uses the site.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#56

On Facebook, any time I see someone post with the words 'my account was hacked' they get a dozen automated replies from other users offering services to fix their account. In most cases, the person isn't even hacked, their account was cloned/impersonated. With the kind of money Facebook has, they can't set a honeypot account up and post 'my account was hacked' on it? This has been going on for months.

> With the kind of money Facebook has, they can't set a honeypot account up and post 'my account was hacked' on it?

All of those posts still count as "engagement" and even scammers generate ad impressions, so why would they not only kill the golden goose, but actually spend money doing so?

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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I think it's more like an omni-channel tsunami of fraud on all possible channels that has been gaining speed for a long time and appears to be increasing with an exponential growth rate. The worst frauds still happen over phone and involve banking and old people.

It certainly feels that way. Scams and fraud grow more common and brazen by the day.

It's a combination of:

1) the economic situation in some countries such as the UK being so dire that the risk/reward calculation of crime now starts to be worth it. If people see no way out in a legitimate career, they will turn to crime because they have nothing to lose.

2) would-be criminals are finally noticing that law enforcement has completely dropped the ball on investigating/prosecuting these crimes, so it's literally "free money" with no actual risk of being caught

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#58

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

I think the larger it grows the worse it gets. Small group to talk to family or friends? Great! The local community? Begin noticing dbags and crazies, people nasty to each other National or larger? Forget about it, and now it's ratfucked by bad actors, shills, foreign intel, and other ilk. Moderation also gets worse because these large entities try to create blanket standards with such a wide variation of cultures in…

That’s my perception too. Most social media started kinda good because there were mostly enthusiasts at first, then they descend into insanity. I feel for my mom, caught up in Facebook because most people her age is also there. It’s a mix of political trolls and ignorant people arguing over things they don’t know with all kinds of fallacies together in a sort of crowd crazy that I see nowhere else. I try to make her leave sometimes, as it is bad for her mental health, but she doesn’t listen to me and I admit it would cut her out from the only group she’s part of, which is family spread across the country.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#59
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The comment you're responding to refers to India as their country. I'm assuming they've witnessed the changes first hand in that case.

Social media (or any other means of advertising, past or present) has affected these things everywhere. Even I complain about my inability to be alone on a trail in CA, or struggling to find campsites, occasionally shaking my fist at social media for it. But the linked images from India showing extreme overcrowding has far more to do with the population size than social media. When you have that many people, any litt…

There are plenty of trails in India, this one just got advertised. You shouldn't conclude the world is overpopulated by looking at footage from a football cup match.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#60

I think a lot of this is because a large amount of our society grew up without the Internet. To them, everything that looks professional is professional. They are easy targets for scammers. Millennials and Gen-Z were raised on the Internet and therefore have an innate understanding of what is real and most importantly, what can be faked. Its a lot harder to scam. them. If I told my parents about a Nigerian oil execut…

A major danger is that there's money to be made pretending that everything that looks professional is professional and there are no risks nor bad actors. There's a generation or two that got taught (either actual teaching or just experience) that the internet is a dangerous place. When I was a child I was told not to share any personal details on the internet for example and that people could be lying/misrepresenting themselves.

Nowadays, social media and all Big Tech platforms rely on people forgetting such advice and pretending like everything is trusted and there are no bad actors anywhere, because they themselves are a bad actor. They wouldn't want a wary user that never provides personal details nor makes any payments, because this also means they won't provide any personal details to Facebook nor spend any money on a Facebook-advertised product.

I'm especially worried about the newer generations, those that never experienced the early days of the internet and started off in "walled gardens" and phones/tablets. Those are prime targets for scammers.

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