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Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#11
On Facebook, any time I see someone post with the words 'my account was hacked' they get a dozen automated replies from other users offering services to fix their account. In most cases, the person isn't even hacked, their account was cloned/impersonated. With the kind of money Facebook has, they can't set a honeypot account up and post 'my account was hacked' on it? This has been going on for months.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#12

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

Many people who never could afford to call international family now speak and see each other daily. I also disagree that technology has made anyone more self-centered, but disagreeing with Socratic proclamations is as old as society itself.

That started with IM/Skype style VOIP calling and has nothing to do with social media.

From a utility standpoint, social media seems to have largely filled the same role email used to among distant family.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly feels that way. Scams and fraud grow more common and brazen by the day.

Well yeah. Because fraud is the victims fault and they have to fix it. At least in the view of our current laws. If someone impersonates me, and uses my 'super secret' information to get a new credit card in my name, (like birthdate, DL number, or the number I have to put on any credit application, employment, etc) its now MY responsibility to correct my credit reports, contact people sending me to collections, file…

My country (Sweden) recently had a supreme court decision basically saying it's the banks' responsibility to safeguard the deposited money and making sure they're giving it out to the proper person and that's that. [Obviously there's a balance, but it dramatically shifted towards the rights of the bank account owner.]

https://www.domstol.se/hogsta-domstolen/avgoranden/2022/1155...

(This was by far the most satisfying court decision I've read for years.)

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

Many people who never could afford to call international family now speak and see each other daily. I also disagree that technology has made anyone more self-centered, but disagreeing with Socratic proclamations is as old as society itself.

> I also disagree that technology has made anyone more self-centered

Really? Well I might be biased but all I see these days is people trying very, very hard to curate the perfect internet image of themselves.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#15

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

Many people who never could afford to call international family now speak and see each other daily. I also disagree that technology has made anyone more self-centered, but disagreeing with Socratic proclamations is as old as society itself.

>I also disagree that technology has made anyone more self-centered...

Emphasis mine, as a reminder to be careful with absolutes. It's a bit of a stretch to suggest that nobody has become more self-centered due to social media.

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#16

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

> the most self-centered generation in history

Boomers?

Also I'm not sure cancel culture is a bad thing. It's just negative branding for what is essentially the first time marginalized groups could have their voices heard. People who are used to writing op-eds and never hearing any criticism of their ideas are finally getting some negative feedback and they're super mad about it. You get absolutely unreal outrage about that, like this NYT opinion:

> For all the tolerance and enlightenment that modern society claims, Americans are losing hold of a fundamental right as citizens of a free country: the right to speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned.

That is the first sentence in the piece. Unreal. There has never been a right to say what you want without being shamed or shunned. Shaming and shunning is part of free speech. Boycotts are part of free speech.

That's how backwards this whole "cancel culture" outrage is. Better to call it accountability culture, or response culture, or feedback culture.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#17

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

Social media has absolute changed the way people live their lives in my country - India.

Personally, it has made me lose interest in my favorite outdoor activity i.e. hiking because of too many people showing up. Ex: I won't set foot on a trail on weekends[0].

[0] https://i.imgur.com/7V4cd4Z.png

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

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post #17

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

Social media has absolute changed the way people live their lives in my country - India. Personally, it has made me lose interest in my favorite outdoor activity i.e. hiking because of too many people showing up. Ex: I won't set foot on a trail on weekends[0]. [0] https://i.imgur.com/7V4cd4Z.png

Er.. is everywhere like that ?

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#19
"According to research by high street bank TSB, 80% of purchase fraud cases reported to the bank come from platforms owned by Meta, which includes Instagram, as well as Facebook and WhatsApp."

If Meta was serious about their "real names" policy, this would be less of a problem.

Re: Victims speak out over ‘tsunami’ of fraud on Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp

#20

I've been thinking for a while now, as we've had social media for many years already. What good has it brought to society? Scams, addiction, FOMO, cancel culture, gossip, missinformation, bullying, and the most self-centered generation in history, to name a few. All of it instantly and on a global scale. It's truly one the worst things that ever happened to society IMO.

None of those things are exclusive to social media, some of them aren't even bad (gossip), and the rest have equal positives (misinformation = abundant information, bullying = uplifting each other).

I always question what intention does someone have painting social media in such broad strokes. Especially when we consider who actively gains from narrowing where information can be accessed.

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