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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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"Core" user base != tyranny of the majority. Alienating a huge amount of clearly passionate reddit users in favour of Joe schmoe browsing on the train home sounds like a dangerous decision - reddit sti needs all those people who provide the content people browse for, etc. In any case, at this point the bigger issue for a lot of people is just the total disrespect reddit has publicly announced, repeatedly, towards its…

I think it's also worth noting that the actual contributing members on message boards is a tiny minority[1][2][3]. Activity appears to follow a Pareto distribution. The members that not only contribute, but regularly contribute quality content is a minority within that minority. The vast majority is scrolling and blowing air out their nose, maybe voting, maybe very occasionally leaving a comment. From a monetization…

Yes of course. And that tiny minority of course shares your preferences about UI design.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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> Those are the very people who should be never ever allowed to become mods, or to be anywhere near any position of power Okay. How about AI as the new mod then?

Bots creating content . Bots moderating content to fit corporate agenda. Clueless users consuming streamlined content. That would be a perfect circle.

Just cut out the literal middle “man”, and have the bots click on the ads too.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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I disagree with your doomsday scenario. There are Reddit users waiting in the wings, wringing their hands ready to jump at the 'oppurtunity' to moderate established subreddits and will happily devote their time to custodial duties. No doubt some have already contacted Reddit management saying that if they de-mod x subreddit they will jump in and guarantee the subreddit's operation. I don't understand the argument abo…

> There are Reddit users waiting in the wings, wringing their hands ready to jump at the 'oppurtunity' to moderate established subreddits and will happily devote their time to custodial duties. You mean "4 chan users salivating at the idea of trolling reddit" ?

Is 4chan living rent free in your head?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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I think it's also worth noting that the actual contributing members on message boards is a tiny minority[1][2][3]. Activity appears to follow a Pareto distribution. The members that not only contribute, but regularly contribute quality content is a minority within that minority. The vast majority is scrolling and blowing air out their nose, maybe voting, maybe very occasionally leaving a comment. From a monetization…

Yes of course. And that tiny minority of course shares your preferences about UI design.

That minority makes the different demands on UI, since they use the site in a different way from the passive users.

Case in point, if you're rarely ever contributing it doesn't really even matter if the entire website crashes when you paste into the rich text editor so you lose everything you've written. Which I guess is why this bug is still not properly fixed on all browsers after being broken as hell for 4 years, including for long times on Chrome(?!) [1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/search/?q=paste&restrict_sr=1

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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It’s fun to consider this from his perspective. He has essentially pushed all-in on this and now he has no way of backing out. If this is all about getting ready for IPO, then he can’t back out, because that would show potential future investors that he is not in control of policy changes, and that means that when shareholders want to crank up the money making machine, they can’t. At the same time, he needs to show t…

As a user, all he's done is prove to me that he will cave instantly to shareholder pressure. There aren't even any public shareholders asking for more money now and he's already cranking the money-making lever. How am I to expect the site to become better in the future when infinite growth is expected? Why would I put my time in this site over another?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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I disagree with your doomsday scenario. There are Reddit users waiting in the wings, wringing their hands ready to jump at the 'oppurtunity' to moderate established subreddits and will happily devote their time to custodial duties. No doubt some have already contacted Reddit management saying that if they de-mod x subreddit they will jump in and guarantee the subreddit's operation. I don't understand the argument abo…

You make some good points but if there's one fatal flaw these big tech CEOs and their boards seem to have it's hubris. Reddit doesn't have a moat and it also doesn't have data that's amazingly interesting. This may very well be part of a power play by Huffman but he's forgotten the only two things that really matter at the end of the day, which are quality and volume/scale. Screwing his mods hurts him on both of thos…

> Reddit doesn't have a moat

Reddit has a tremendous moat. Like any social network, its users are the moat. Its usability has gotten worse in the past few years but there simply aren't great alternatives. (Federated services like Lemmy are not serious reddit alternatives.)

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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The richest part here is where spez refers to moderators as a "landed gentry": https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko... “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.” What does that make spez relative to the constituents in his community?

Spez is CEO because the board and investors deem him to be the best person for the job. Of course, he founded Reddit, so he has a strong case on merit for why he is the #1 person on the planet to run the company. The process for selecting moderators is way less meritocratic or democratic than this. They merely got there first, finders keepers. The analogy for landed gentry is accurate.

You think it's democratic if the investors picked him? That's not democracy, that oligarchy.

But in both cases I don't think that democracy is what you want. In the case of subreddits, it doesn't matter because you can always create your own subreddit. And in the case of Reddit as a whole, if people stick with the site after this, then they'll deserve the corporatist crap they'll get served.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

What would you rather they do, go bankrupt? Reddit is not profitable. They need a path to profitability to continue operating in a high rate environment.

Seeing as Reddit is already in the top visited sites in the US by many metrics [1] I find it somewhat hard to believe that they can't find a way to better monetize than astronomically increasing its API access.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_websites

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Reddit management would do well to understand that with regards to the labour and content they receive for free.

This type of content is always free... For your general audience, there is plenty of enough of it always. And with comments even too much. You never really need to pay monetary value for it.

It isn't though. Facebook and Twitter have paid moderators that are employees, but since they are uninterested in building communities with quality content, you just end up with what they are today.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

Did Reddit forget why they were popular in the first place? Remember the Digg redesign? Seems like every Reddit update has been user-hostile in a way that was much worse than the Digg stuff.

Being popular isn't their primary goal.

(I'm not saying I like the changes or think they are good, I'm just saying that you aren't analyzing their motivations if you focus on popularity)

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