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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by JVirissimo »

TeeWEE wrote: post #99

I was born in Amsterdam and didnt understand this conflict, after seeing numerous documentaries i have an understanding what is going on. Basically zionists believe they are the chosen ones and that all other are inferiour. They believe the land is destined to them. Whatever the UN says. If you think about it this is a similar ideology than the naxis. And in fact the same methods are used. I recommend everybody to wa…

You think you understand the conflict because...you watched a documentary on it? This is an incredibly complex situation. If you think you understand it without even reading the standard literature, then you are probably fooling yourself.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#102

Post by rnrlrn »

TeeWEE wrote: post #97
rnrlrn wrote: post #89

off topic and annoying. anti-Israel agendas on hnews. the article is 2% about renewable energy and 98% Israel bashing, typically ignoring the Israeli point of view. shame

If somebody would write an article in nazi germany about how the jews dont get the food and the electricity they wanted than that would be an anti-nazi article. however that doesnt mean is annoying or factual wrong.

it also wouldn't belong on a tech site. what's annoying is that non tech articles get posted just for furthering Israel hatred and only a few call it out. then Israelis feel besieged and everybody wonders why. your reference to ww2 is fitting though not for the reason you think, but because like then, Jews were picked out for special treatment, except today we're called Zionists, so as to be politically correct

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#103

Post by TeeWEE »

rnrlrn wrote: post #102
TeeWEE wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If somebody would write an article in nazi germany about how the jews dont get the food and the electricity they wanted than that would be an anti-nazi article. however that doesnt mean is annoying or factual wrong.

it also wouldn't belong on a tech site. what's annoying is that non tech articles get posted just for furthering Israel hatred and only a few call it out. then Israelis feel besieged and everybody wonders why. your reference to ww2 is fitting though not for the reason you think, but because like then, Jews were picked out for special treatment, except today we're called Zionists, so as to be politically correct

Zionists think they are the chosen ones right? Isnt that similar to some other idealogies?

Actually I am not pro palestina or anti isreal. I just think that religion in its generality does not promote peac and understanding. A world without religionbwould be a better place.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#104

Post by rnrlrn »

rooshdi wrote: post #63

Why are most of the top comments up in arms about this article and not the magic secrets of Teller one? If you're going to shout "irrelevant", at least be consistent. I think this speaks volumes of the biases inherent in some of the commenters here. You may not believe it, but there are some individuals here who would like to discuss the technological, entrepreneurial, and maybe even human right implications of the e…

"no one wants to empathize with the "other side"." not true. Israel has active left wing and various peace movements. they just don't get much attention outside of Israel. I realize people don't like to hear this but Israel is a democracy with a wide range of opinions and representation of all society including Arabs in the government. please read up

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#105

Post by danmaz74 »

dminor14 wrote: post #84

Article is political not factual. Contains numerous errors designed for political propaganda purposes, shouldn't be on a technical website.

If there are factual errors, point them out. I'd like to read about them. But saying this generalically doesn't help.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#106

Post by berntb »

ucee054 wrote: post #79
alan_cx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Marks and Spencer?

M&S hawks Israeli produce: http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_%26_Spencer#cite_note-53 Unfortunately I can't refer you to a comprehensive information source on companies supporting Israel, but you might find more information by googling for "jews for boycotting israeli goods" or "boycott divestment sanctions" I did find references to several other compan…

Sigh... I flagged the article. Please keep stories like this off HN, it is bad enough with the language wars people.

(I follow the Middle East conflict a bit, because it is informative to compare my Swedish media with BBC/NY Times. News items such as Pallywood or torture between Palestinian groups are literally censored.)

The basic reason I started to care a bit is because I find it depressing when people hate and demonize a whole democracy with very heterogeneous political life.

Especially if said people never criticise neither rocket artillery against cities nor the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)

I have also never seen any criticism from these people of the Arab world's way of destroying the Palestinian refugees' lives, by refusing to integrate them. This is arguably worse than anything Israel has done, even in your description of Israel.

And to start talking about organised Jewish propaganda controlling a country's media is straight up disgusting. It smacks of the muslim world's copying of traditional anti semitic hate propaganda.

Then we have the muslim world's support of the mass murders in south Sudan, which in number of dead etc must be a thousand times worse than even your description of Israel. Talk about astronomical double standards for different groups...

I could continue for a while, but this won't change your opinions. You "know" that it is OK to ignore racist hate propaganda etc etc, since it is done against the evil ones.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#107

Post by eyko »

rnrlrn wrote: post #98
Estragon wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It surprises me that people are complaining this is irrelevant to HN. It fits well with the PG/HN narrative of technology decentralizing political power -- Israel is suppressing this technology because it doesn't want to give up its control of the electricity supply.

"Israel is suppressing this technology..." that statement exactly shows the problem with this post. this is a complex political problem that has nothing to do with the technology. in fact Israel has made huge investments in solar technology. you don't have to agree with Israeli politics. as an Israeli,I rarely do either, but this post is one in a long list of demonizing and biased posts that just make the situation w…

> this is a complex political problem that has nothing to do with the technology.

May be complex to you, but to (most of) the rest of us it is actually quite simple to understand.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#108

Post by [deleted] »

rooshdi wrote: post #85
nyellin wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? The world must unite to fight the possibly unethical enforcement of a sensible law in a country which has (for the most part, but with some exceptions outside of its jurisdiction) an excellent court system that has overturned similar decisions in the past? This is a controversial issue, which doesn't belong on HN, partly because people's strong opinions on Israel are often disproportionate to their overall in…

Issues with other countries in the middle east have been discussed. Some examples: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3599396 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2157796 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3575029 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=550719 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=452153 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2616318 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1565419

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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

#109

Post by berntb »

batista wrote: post #41
davidkatz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two questions: (1) Why do you think Israel should be obliged to supply electricity to a hostile territory, ruled by a government that explicitly states it's desire to destroy it [1], backed up with routine rocket fire into Israeli population centers? (2) How exactly is Israel preventing the generation of electricity in Gaza? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant EDIT: grammar correction

(1) Why do you think Israel should be obliged to supply electricity to a hostile territory Why do you think a newly found state (~65 years) has any right to claim the territory it occupies (except of the might makes right variety)? ruled by a government that explicitly states it's desire to destroy it [1] As opposed to a government that occupied the land from the previous inhabitants and has been steadily displacing…

>>do you think a newly found state (~65 years) has any right to claim the territory it occupies (except of the might makes right variety)?

Please explain to me, what makes Israel worse than all the other area changes after the world wars?

Let's look at Karelia. Do you think the Finns should start bombarding St Petersburg with rocket artillery? (And would you expect such a mild response from Russia as Israeli has shown...?)

The main difference I can see is that Israel makes for a good external enemy for a bunch of really disgusting dictators.

>>Backed up with routine genocide tactics...

Last time I checked the population growth in Gaza was one of the fastest on the planet. So you use the worst accusations possible to make as "arguments". Seems like hate propaganda to me.

And so on. Get this subject of HN.

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