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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by yanderekko »

michaelmrose wrote: post #548
yanderekko wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The community is exactly why toxic mods should be removed.

Can you explain why you believe the mods are toxic? Reddit allowing autonomy created an entire army of unpaid mods in order to create communities that pay 100% of managements salaries despite current reddit management being basically bad at every aspect of their jobs. They absolutely can crush them if they want to but if they do they stand to crush those communities and end up owning the shell of what they wanted to…

I think the median mod deserves almost zero credit for "creating" the communities that they oversee. The welfare of the mods and the communities are usually not tightly intertwined, and scenarios where the mods are committed to destroying these communities should serve as a counterexample to this idea.

>Ownership of reddit/r/$name isn't a valuable quantity if the people who contribute react badly to replacing the people running the joint being replaced by management stooges.

The idea that Redditors had some sort of prior affection for moderators is laughable. At best this is just tribalism where a vocal minority of Redditors is so upset at spez that they're opportunistically creating a narrative of heroic moderators being oppressed by evil admins that's reminiscent of an inverted Ayn Rand story.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by Havoc »

postalrat wrote: post #382
Havoc wrote: post #135

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They can sure try. Getting a mod team that gels well and keeps the community functional is non trivial though in my experience especially for tricky subs like politics Dropping a couple randoms in is at best a roll of the dice I personally wouldn’t want that roll across a large number of subs if I were ceo but I’m not so maybe we’ll get to see how that plays out

If creating an echo chamber is what your mean by "gel well" then they are doing a great job.

Little sad that this is how you interpret it. But yeah mod team being on the same team while having diverse views is an even harder thing to pull off and narrow the pool of people suitable even further

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by Havoc »

gruez wrote: post #245
Havoc wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can sure try. Getting a mod team that gels well and keeps the community functional is non trivial though in my experience especially for tricky subs like politics Dropping a couple randoms in is at best a roll of the dice I personally wouldn’t want that roll across a large number of subs if I were ceo but I’m not so maybe we’ll get to see how that plays out

>They can sure try. Getting a mod team that gels well and keeps the community functional is non trivial though in my experience especially for tricky subs like politics Are the current mods of /r/politics even doing that good of a job?

I don’t frequent it so can’t comment specifically. There is likely significant work going on behind the scenes just to keep it from going all lord of the flies. ie a large part of the “job” isn’t visible so hard to tell from outside how challenging things are

To be clear when I said politics I didn’t mean r/politics but rather any sub that has contentious issues like politics as topic

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by mjan22640 »

joshvm wrote: post #401
jhanschoo wrote: post #396

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For reddit specifically, I have to disagree. It's a sad state the Internet has become, where you used to get coherent results from decentralized blogs when you google a sufficiently niche hobbyist topic. These days you just get content marketing spam. Append reddit to your search and you get subject-matter experts. The valuable conversation and folk knowledge is all siloed on social media.

Reddit successfully centralised forums and made it convenient because you didn't need 20+ logins. The other half is link sharing/doom scrolling (the addictive stuff), which replaced Digg, Stumbleupon, etc. In the not-so-distant past if you wanted expert help and non-astroturfed suggestions (or even just memes), that's where you went. Those places still exist for a lot of fields and the experts still hang out (and oft…

> Reddit now suffers from the problem where it's so big that people can run very subtle advertising campaigns to push products.

Filter these out with an LLM based adblock.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by Natanael_L »

cpeterso wrote: post #544
joshvm wrote: post #537

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The funny thing is that a lot of the stuff people on Reddit are clamouring for was easily supported by forums, and has been done forever. Admins were free to run their own ads or premium posts, they got sponsorship from companies, organised swaps and real-life meetups. I remember getting perks like free shipping from some places in return for being an active user. The communities were also more intimate. You'd intera…

Who is the WordPress of forum hosting on your own domain and customizability? Someone that can make turnkey forums for nontechnical people to create their own communities.

There's a few self hosting forums, and there's Lemmy / Kbin for federated ones

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Post by LittleShaman »

capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

Could you share a source for the 3% number? I only managed to find an AMA post about 3% of *mod actions" coming from third party apps: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by johnchristopher »

Panzer04 wrote: post #92
shivy wrote: post #13

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https://kbin.social is a great alternative from what I can see. https://kbin.social/m/apple is already thriving, as is https://kbin.social/m/programming

The concern I have with these federated instances is I don't see how they resolve the long term problems of stability. Content on instances can disappear at a moment's notice if it goes down. My favorite part about reddit is the amount of information it has that is well-indexed by google. These Lemmy and kbin alternatives might fulfill the moment-to-moment chatter, but it worries me that there's no guarantee of conti…

And that's where the email analogy fails (again).

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Post by zedadex »

concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

> This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over the subreddit for yourself? And they're still insulting everyone's intelligence

It's transparent, sure, but it doesn't mean it won't be effective. They're counting on a few people's greed plus most people's apathy.

reddit seems happy to go all in on the low-effort content mill market, and those users are the kind to get more upset over the protest than losing nice third-party apps or tools.

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Post by capableweb »

LittleShaman wrote: post #566
capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

Could you share a source for the 3% number? I only managed to find an AMA post about 3% of *mod actions" coming from third party apps: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

It's from the same article:

> Huffman said 97% of Reddit users do not use any third-party apps to browse the site.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h...

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