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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by TeMPOraL »

cookiengineer wrote: post #417
spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

> Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. They have to be platinum ad partners in order to get their subs, of course. Just like how yelp extorts companies for reviews, reddit now extorts companies for comments.

That would be a dangerous game to play with Disney or Paramount/CBS. I'd sooner assume that /r/starwars and /r/startrek serve at the pleasure of their respective IP holders, and I don't believe Reddit has pockets deep enough to challenge either of them.

I mean, Star Trek fans are used to seeing every interesting creative fan project shut down by a C&D letter - and as for Star Wars, everyone knows you don't go up against the House of the Mouse.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by goykasi »

pmoriarty wrote: post #472
goykasi wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but: > To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. S…

"the 1st party mobile app sits at #2 (2.6M reviews -- 4.8[1]) vs #10 (up from ~30 in May) for apollo (170.5k reviews -- 4.7[2])." Lots of people probably install the official app, just to try it out, but that doesn't mean they actually use it. I installed it myself a long time ago, but I never use it because it's garbage compared to Boost (my preferred 3rd party app).

Youre absolutely correct. Thats why I didnt mention install counts. Apple doesnt publish those numbers, and I didnt want to make any assumptions about them.

But I am comfortable assuming that those reviews come from users that did install and use both apps. The opinions seems to be very positive for both.

I do find it interesting that Apollo had such a steep popularity increase in the last couple of weeks[1].

[1] https://www.similarweb.com/app/app-store/979274575/statistic...

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by ehnto »

jfasi wrote: post #21
ehnto wrote: post #17

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Reddit is just where a community posted up. Reddit is free-riding off the efforts of the community, it is a lopsided arrangement. Reddit is not a challenging software platform to replicate, there are already platforms ready to be migrated to. They are biting the hand that feeds them, and if the community decides to leave Reddit has no value proposition anymore. They think they are the community, but they are just whe…

If the community decides to leave, it won't be because of API pricing, it'll be because the content and spaces they used to enjoy were taken offline because of a minority of moderators.

Which happened because of API pricing? The moderators are why the community works at all at this scale. They're also how reddit makes the site palatable to advertisers. That's just the current controversy anyway, Reddit inc has been making numerous user hostile choices and their choice to push third party apps away is clearly not for the benefit of the community.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Nexxxeh »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #341
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #134

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Thanks for writing this down. I don’t know about the details of Reddit moderation for popular subs, but I’ve moderated a pretty tiny one, and have some friends who moderate small communities elsewhere. The perception that Mods are all power hungry and looking to impose their will is all consuming in some circles, ans it frustrates me. Most of the moderation is pure drudgery that is uninteresting and un controversial.…

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Are you being sarcastic or otherwise intentionally contrary, or do you genuinely believe that some people (if not you) like helping others?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Kiro »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #323
kitd wrote: post #247

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The threshold for free API usage for modding tools is being increased from 60 to 100 queries per minute https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309 There are a very small minority that exceed that even now apparently. Seems not unreasonable to me.

Why is this downvoted? According to the linked article, even the bots which exceed the usage were manually whitelisted to stay free.

You're downvoted because people clearly don't want to actually discuss this. It's all about the pitchforks.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by irthomasthomas »

spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

And now we get to the real reason for their bizarre behaviour. They want to push ordinary mods off the platform to be replaced by their own drones. You can tell which subs are modded by shills by who broke the strike. Like r/worldnews that was modded by Ghislaine Maxwell right up until the day she was incarcerated. https://www.reddit.com/user/maxwellhill/

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by [deleted] »

baq wrote: post #295
safety1st wrote: post #212

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They are done, 100%, this is the turning point and it's all downhill from here. They depend fundamentally on volunteer labor and every decision they've made since announcing the API change has alienated that labor. The morale of every mod I know is in the tank. The solution for this was incredibly simple. Reddit you want to charge for the API? Go right ahead, we all want you to make money. But when the volunteer labo…

Some people here laughed at me when I said their financial projections are garbage, obviously have false assumptions given they’re actually implementing the plan. It’s a sad thing to watch.

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by proto_lambda »

JohnBooty wrote: post #242
Llamamoe wrote: post #163

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All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, to require login for API access, and make only mass scraping require $$$.

All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, Not a rhetorical question: have any companies done this successfully? It seems like such an obvious solution to me, but I haven't seen it mentioned. One possible shortcoming (from Reddit's perspective) is the fact that the official Reddit app doesn't just show ads, it also collects all sorts of other user behavior data. So for th…

> Not a rhetorical question: have any companies done this successfully?

Telegram does this, and I think they're successful with it.

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