Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Moderators are not owners.
Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook and Twitter are not bot ridden ghost towns... but anyways, I'll make the opposite prediction: Reddit is going to turn out just fine and this episode will quickly become a memory from the past.
Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…
I agree with you on all points, except to nuance your last:
(1) This may not be true of other parts of the world, and in particular, it may not be true of countries outside the 'anglosphere'. (Anyone care to report on international FB health?)
(2) Even within the Anglosphere, there are still very specific pockets of FB which are viable. In my experience, they are usually attached to queer community and/or leftist organizing. FB activity has in fact picked up since the Muskpocalypse. I imagine it will pick up again now that the Fediverse is hitting the scaling wall imposed by using a protocol that is arguably exponential-ish big-O with federated server count. (https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/110198847653604631)
I'm sort of hoping that Nostr takes off before BlueSky figures out a way of owning the fediverse. Or even Secure Scuttlebutt! Now that would be a weird timeline.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#293This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…
Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but:
> To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this?
Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. So people dont mind it and probably never experienced the old layout. Additionally, the 1st party mobile app sits at #2 (2.6M reviews -- 4.8[1]) vs #10 (up from ~30 in May) for apollo (170.5k reviews -- 4.7[2]). That also tells me that a huge amount of users are perfectly fine with the reddit app.
So, knowing those basic facts, is it at all surprising that reddit is reacting this way? They are trying to keep the main, core userbase happy. The users/mods that are pushing this blackout are most definitely in the minority, and they are being disruptive to the greater userbase that clearly doesnt care.
disclaimer: old.reddit user of 13 years and only recently switched to apollo from alien blue. just calling it like i see it.
[1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/reddit/id1064216828 [2] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#294Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…
Why do people keep bringing up Aaron Swartz around this? He was just an early developer for the site, not even part of its original creation.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#295Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…
They are done, 100%, this is the turning point and it's all downhill from here. They depend fundamentally on volunteer labor and every decision they've made since announcing the API change has alienated that labor. The morale of every mod I know is in the tank. The solution for this was incredibly simple. Reddit you want to charge for the API? Go right ahead, we all want you to make money. But when the volunteer labo…
Some people here laughed at me when I said their financial projections are garbage, obviously have false assumptions given they’re actually implementing the plan.
It’s a sad thing to watch.
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#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Instead of exposing identification I rather have moderators be subject to yearly votes. The would just create a brigading problem. Political subs could encourage their members to join lists of hundreds of subreddits and all vote for picked candidates. Coordination could happen on some other site as well.
I thought of a similar issue. It could be limited to active high karma participants of the community, however anyone can game that with GPT powered bots. Another possibility is to have yearly oustings instead of voting mods in. At 90% disapproval mods get kicked out. This along with brigading detection should cover damage by bad actors for the most part.
If the bots are gaining enough karma to vote, maybe they deserve it.
To prevent the use of bot farms (or people farms) to stockpile votes, maybe we could look to the field of sybil resistance and digital IDs?
Stack Overflow has been holding moderator elections for a while. How do they do it?
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook and Twitter are not bot ridden ghost towns... but anyways, I'll make the opposite prediction: Reddit is going to turn out just fine and this episode will quickly become a memory from the past.
Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…
I disagree. Personally I still think Twitter is a goldmine for following the latest relevant releases of AI-papers (@_akhaliq), the current Stock market buzz (several accounts), and the Ukraine war from an OSINT and serious journalism perspective (@maxseddon).
You get what you decide to follow.
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#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are these servers like subreddits, or more like email providers? Is there a "see all, interact with all, no restrictions" lemmy server? Help! :)
That's kind of the thing about the fediverse: that's basically not possible. Any instance that doesn't engage in some blocking will probably be blocked for what it doesn't block. You could, of course, run your own instance, but obviously that's its own can of worms. So... It's tricky. edit: also, sites like joinmastodon USUALLY just completely exclude anything too controversial, for pretty obvious reasons. Dunno abou…
You know what made Reddit popular? Share ability. How the hell am I going to send a link to the Lemmy verse or whatever to my brother in law?
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#299Not much stopping Reddit from ‘keeping’ the mods and replacing who runs those user accounts. …
That would be a really dumb idea, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
#300Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…
What would you rather they do, go bankrupt?
Reddit is not profitable. They need a path to profitability to continue operating in a high rate environment.