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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by npteljes »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #16

If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

Why does paying for it making it better? Companies can screw paying customers over too. The issue is depending on a third party like this. And the solution is not some free tech utopia either. Taking risks is part of life, and so when screwed over like this, the parties involved just need to re-assess the situation and move on. And count on being screwed over next time too.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by pmoriarty »

goykasi wrote: post #293
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but: > To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. S…

"the 1st party mobile app sits at #2 (2.6M reviews -- 4.8[1]) vs #10 (up from ~30 in May) for apollo (170.5k reviews -- 4.7[2])."

Lots of people probably install the official app, just to try it out, but that doesn't mean they actually use it.

I installed it myself a long time ago, but I never use it because it's garbage compared to Boost (my preferred 3rd party app).

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by George83728 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #70
KingOfCoders wrote: post #16

If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

What kind of communities are you a part of that you pay for? All the best ones that I can think of have never involved money moving around at all--participation makes a community, not money.

> What kind of communities are you a part of that you pay for?

Committee-run churches are this. Obviously not all churches fit the bill, but many do. Also other many other sort of traditional 'IRL' clubs that collect dues to pay expenses but are run by volunteers elected by the members.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sarajevo wrote: post #454
andrewinardeer wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with your doomsday scenario. There are Reddit users waiting in the wings, wringing their hands ready to jump at the 'oppurtunity' to moderate established subreddits and will happily devote their time to custodial duties. No doubt some have already contacted Reddit management saying that if they de-mod x subreddit they will jump in and guarantee the subreddit's operation. I don't understand the argument abo…

I think you nailed it with this comment - there is a long line of folks who are waiting for open mod positions.

As a general principle, people in that line self-identify as unsuitable for the role and should not be given it, unless your goal is to destroy the community.

Which I guess is fine for Reddit - people will escape bad mods by forking subreddits off, and things will eventually settle down. Just don't expect your favorite subreddits to be there once the dust settles.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by nedt »

unclekev wrote: post #86
e2le wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often struck me as odd how some moderators can be modding 50+ sometimes even high as 100+ subreddits. Why so many? I doubt they can be reasonably expected to moderate all of them. Shouldn't there be a limit?

Power mods are a real problem on Reddit. It's the same group of people who strong-armed a lot of smaller subreddits into participating in this 'protest'. The end result of this protest looks like it's going to be that Reddit is going to remove a lot of the mods that the community has despised for years. It would seem this mod pity party is backfiring in the most spectacular way possible.

They are still more democratic than the power CEO.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by rwmj »

baq wrote: post #295
safety1st wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are done, 100%, this is the turning point and it's all downhill from here. They depend fundamentally on volunteer labor and every decision they've made since announcing the API change has alienated that labor. The morale of every mod I know is in the tank. The solution for this was incredibly simple. Reddit you want to charge for the API? Go right ahead, we all want you to make money. But when the volunteer labo…

Some people here laughed at me when I said their financial projections are garbage, obviously have false assumptions given they’re actually implementing the plan. It’s a sad thing to watch.

Likely the only thing management care about is getting the IPO over the line so they can cash out and retire.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by pmoriarty »

Llamamoe wrote: post #163
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

All they had to do was make showing ads part of the ToS for developing third party apps, to require login for API access, and make only mass scraping require $$$.

This wouldn't solve the problem of their API being used to scrape Reddit to train LLMs.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by TeMPOraL »

luckystarr wrote: post #464
spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

As far as I've heard, r/startrek already started their own instance at https://startrek.website and indicated they will close their sub for good. This may be the first major sub to be handed over. Paramount may then even sue startrek.website for IP infringement, etc. I'm re-stocking my strategic popcorn reserves.

Oh, and /r/DaystromInstitute moved there too. I guess I'll have to check this Lemmy thing out - that subreddit was more than 50% of what kept me logged in to Reddit in the first place.
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