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Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Odd that it says 3000 years ago. The start of the Wikipedia entry on bronze swords says they appeared in 17BC which is of course only 2000 years ago.

I've realised my mistake there. Embarrassing. I've no ability to edit though, never noticed that before. I guess I never had the need.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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This is mindblowing. Here we are, 3000 years in the future. But how many of us could make such a “primitive” thing?

With the right youtube videos and enough practice, I'll bet most mechanically inclined people could work it out.

I imagine the information you could fit on a single piece of printer paper with 12 point font would net someone something much better than this sword. Metallurgy has come a long way

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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What were swords used for if not for battle?

People often compare sword with handguns. Handguns nowadays are deadly weapons, but they are not used in war, where people use assault rifles instead, or other heavier weapons. Swords were sidearms. Warriors carried them around every day, they could be used for self defense (in those times there was not police or law enforcement). Or they could be used for intimidating opponents, and if needed, for chopping someone's…

Nice explanation, but the Romans did use spears - the 7-foot heavy pilum. They just threw them. It was effectively used to disrupt a threat in a mass volley before swords were drawn and the zerg rugh. Several battles were won by the pilum - the battle of Telamon for example.

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Knowing fully what happened to Rome, if it’s even possible, would have been limited to the educated class. Stories would still have come out of the peasant class, whose folk memory of Rome couldn’t match what the clergy had. Eventually we did remake the Pax Romana, but it took two utterly ruinous wars, humanism, and a working knowledge of free trade to recreate the system that Rome had managed to create almost by acc…

What has been created with modern global capitalism is extremely different from the Roman form of commerce and administration. Not just in technology but in complete ideological foundations. Not only was slavery fundamental to its whole foundation, its accepted and normal practices for doing business would today, in the west, be considered forms of absolute extreme corruption, and their justice system would absolutel…

If you look at what the Romans in the context of their own time, it looks much different. Citizenship was an open class, unlike most everyone in the Mediterranean. Slaves actually had rights. Conquered peoples were able to earn tributes in future conquests. Women could own property. Yes, it’s all terrible by our standards, but becoming Roman could actually improve the lives of subject common people.

Reproducing the previous society is the mistake, because it wasn’t just the society. It was the free trade and lack of Mediterranean piracy that brought prosperity. The relatively increased civil rights that brought stability, and Senate that brought legitimacy. They had a model that produced the best economy and civil rights for their era, but looking backwards to past glories can’t replicate that.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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My knowledge of bronze vs iron comes purely from playing dwarf fortress. Are they fairly comparable in the damage they can cause?

Any real difference in damage would be weight based, as swords were more used for beating than cutting. It's likely that one metal could hold a better edge, and one (perhaps the same) would be more resilient to breaking. It's not quite like the D&D "this metal is higher ranking and does more damage".

platinum underpants > steel underpants > bronze underpants > cloth underpants

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Polish nobility, stretching well into today’s Ukraine, was inventing ways in which they were continuation of imaginary outskirts of said empire.

Russian Orthodox nationalists have this fantasy still. Including Putin. https://brill.com/view/journals/joah/4/1-2/article-p28_4.xml

that article is a long winded way of rehashing the old Tzarist claim that the Russian Empire was the inheritor of the Byzantines, a self-styled "Third Rome".

Putin simply sees himself as the new Tzar, and by extension master of the lands of the Third Rome, i.e. the Baltics, Ukraine, et al.

Re: Archaeologists find 3000-year-old sword, exceptionally well preserved

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Cool, what's your oldest sword and where does it come from? Do you display them or just collect them? I have a friend in Australia with a fairly significant knife (not sword) collection which will be for sale shortly (aged owner), let me know if interested.

I too have knives in my collection, and would be interested but generally shipping things from Australia is hecka expensive too. Generally, I add things, with interesting stories to my collection. My oldest sword is privileged information but my favorite is the first one I got. In 1990 I was visiting Edinburgh on business for Sun, and I wanted a Claymore in celebration of my Scottish ancestry. At the Haymarket, I met…

That is a great story. Thanks for writing it up.
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