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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by zztop44 »

rjvir wrote: post #194
spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

> Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. This isn't an accurate extrapolation. In fact it's extrapolating in the opposite direction. The moderators are taking a moral stand against an API policy. But the the actual users of the subreddits never consented to this moral stand. By removing these m…

Many, many subreddits held polls before deciding what to do. I know that kind of online poll is not scientific, or whatever but do you have a better idea? Not going on strike is also a moral stand that should get consent from the user base.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by roqueasoto »

mozman wrote: post #201
Semaphor wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current de-federation stuff is already bringing out extreme toxicity and personal attacks.

Why is this bad? Isn't it represantitive of real life? There's no such thing as a safe space, only a strong mind.

How is this representative of real life? Like where do you live where people are toxic to you to your face and harass you, honest to god I don’t really see that in my life at least. It’s pretty clear that people behave differently when given anonymity, shouldn’t we try to “emulate real life” at least in the way we interact with each other on the daily?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by paulmd »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #16

If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

The problem is that people don't even agree on what "it" is. Low friction of cross-board collaboration increases the spam problem. There will be low quality instances in a federated world. Other people really really just want to post about woodworking or whatever and the federation thing is not interesting at all. Nobody wants a feed without content in it anymore than staring at an empty email account, so you kind of need one of those things to jumpstart it.

There are so many different niches out of what people want out of a reddit replacement though. Some people want anonymous, some don't, some want local mod curation, others want a very broad push-based thing with lots of server feeding, and there are a lot of these underlying disagreements that are underlying a lot of the "what would replace it" thing.

It's always fun until someone starts shitflooding gore and the mods on that server don't handle it and there's some other problem that's the fifth this week. Let alone if you are dependent on nobody else in your group importing them etc. Reputation matters and if your pod is disruptive that doesn't mean anyone decent will federate with you. And your posts could go much farther than intended.

I still think Discord has nailed the social model that is necessary here. Smaller communities with people you know, local control and moderation. But that's not necessarily ActivityPub.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Sophira »

jchw wrote: post #213
egeozcan wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these servers like subreddits, or more like email providers? Is there a "see all, interact with all, no restrictions" lemmy server? Help! :)

That's kind of the thing about the fediverse: that's basically not possible. Any instance that doesn't engage in some blocking will probably be blocked for what it doesn't block. You could, of course, run your own instance, but obviously that's its own can of worms. So... It's tricky. edit: also, sites like joinmastodon USUALLY just completely exclude anything too controversial, for pretty obvious reasons. Dunno abou…

> Any instance that doesn't engage in some blocking will probably be blocked for what it doesn't block.

So if I'm understanding correctly, it's a platform that encourages peer pressure and bullying? Or am I misunderstanding?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by JohnBooty »

jon_adler wrote: post #189

Why did reddit choose to charge app developers (causing financial uncertainty) for API requests instead of charging the end-users? By purchasing my own usage and loading an API key into Apollo, I could continue to pay Apollo for the app alone like today, and pay Reddit separately for the API access. At least this way, I could decide if I’m happy with the price for API access. I can only assume Reddit deliberately wan…

    Why did reddit choose to charge app developers 
    (causing financial uncertainty) for API requests 
    instead of charging the end-users?
Selfishly I almost wish this had been their course of action -- restrict API access to Reddit Gold members, or some such.

Reddit Gold is $5.99/month, so 5-6x their average monthly income per user. Hell, they could just make it $2 a month.

Source, not sure how reliable: https://sacra.com/c/reddit/

One downside to this is that while $5.99/month is affordable to many, for other people (particularly those in other parts of the world) it is completely unaffordable. So, probably a no-go.

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Post by brabel »

photonerd wrote: post #244
olalonde wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook and Twitter are not bot ridden ghost towns... but anyways, I'll make the opposite prediction: Reddit is going to turn out just fine and this episode will quickly become a memory from the past.

Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

My impression on Twitter is completely different. It's been actually quite nice lately.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by nabilhat »

janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

To be fair, it's all consistent with Reddit's entire historical record. Dishonesty and sockpuppetry is how Reddit got off the ground in the first place.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/reddi...

As the only surviving Reddit co-founder who failed to capitalize on the spectacular luck of launching Reddit and had to crawl back, only spez wants to claim the Jed Clampett title. Only now, in this gritty sequel, given the opportunity to coast in constant wealth and comfort for the rest of his days skimming the labors of the people actually successfully mining the lucky strike he himself failed to realize, he seems resentful, somehow. Regretful. Wants a do-over of the founding of Reddit. Reddit was a springboard to greater success for other founders (well, except that other one), why not him. What else can a discontented hillbilly founder do, but drive off the established, successful industry happily pumping money into his pockets, how else to get a do-over of the founding of Reddit. Maybe he can get it right this time.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by ssnistfajen »

Reddit has removed rogue moderators from time to time, so the precedents have been set. This was always a clearly visible outcome for any moderator who had paid attention to admin-mod interactions at any point over the last 5-9 years. The seemingly secure status of moderators is a cultural artifact, not a technical one. The moment the liabilty of unpaid community volunteers outweights the benefit, Reddit will not hesitate to remove said volunteers. Ultimately, this platform belongs to Reddit itself, and large communities have been diluted to the point where average users don't care about community ownership long ago.
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