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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by anigbrowl »

Despite not being a Reddit user I'm quite enjoying this episode as it's revealing corporate despotism for what it is.

Nobody goes to Reddit for the great infrastructure or (ha ha ) the user interface. they go there because there are interesting people having interesting conversations. The owners and managers provide very little of the value that people derive from it; as Adam Smith said 'As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce.' Here's hoping he site collapses and the residual value of the assets is frittered away on litigation.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by The_Blade »

goles wrote: post #292
unclekev wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9 out of 10 days most Reddit mods are considered the scum of the earth, it's a literal meme at this point how bad a lot of them are. They are the heroes this week because it fits their narrative. Censorship, power-tripping, running subs with a iron fist, etc Nobody knows or cares who they are. As much as they'd like to think they are, the mods are not the community. The community is the people. The people are not the…

When an ump acts like 30,000 people came to the game to watch them and not their team.

Angel Hernandez and Scott Foster would like to give you a code review

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by JoyfulTurkey »

plandis wrote: post #250
paulddraper wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't seem dishonest to me. Reddit cares more about having an open subreddit then the mods do. This was the obvious conclusion

Why should I trust the CEO who was just recently caught in a lie about blackmail despite evidence to the contrary and in the past has straight up edited people’s comments without any notification that Reddit is responsible for the edits?

I haven't been paying close attention to all of the spez/Apollo stuff, was there actually any evidence from either side? Last I saw it was mostly just each party posting contradictory text in replies.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by heatmiser »

satellites wrote: post #8
donutshop wrote: post #3

What's the end game here for reddit? There's no way this would end well.

1. Replace the protesting mods with new ones who don’t care about 3rd party apps 2. Continue making Reddit more addictive and user-hostile, attracting casual browsers and alienating super users (who they don’t care about anyway) 3. Cash checks from advertisers and VCs who like the new strategy 4. IPO 5. Eventually lose relevance and get replaced by the next fledgling community forum site before that, too, gets hollow…

> Replace the protesting mods with new ones who don’t care about 3rd party apps

Until those mods run headlong into the garbage tooling that makes moderating a reasonably active subreddit unmanageable.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by Shilva »

floren wrote: post #359
williamcotton wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could make a public platform. In the US this all but guarantees a protection from censorship. Third parties could offer moderation services. The brave could suck on the firehose!

The funny thing is that Usenet is already a highly censorship-resistant platform, and tools like NoCeM would let you subscribe to third party moderation streams!

I genuinely forget Usenet is still technically around these days. I dabble in the idea of using it here and there, but the ease and convenience of the modern www has spoiled me quite a bit. If I go to a decentralized platform, it's more likely to be something fediverse.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tensor »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #380
tensor wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand capitalism. Reddit offers a service for a price, and if I don't like the terms or price I won't use it. That does not make me selfish. Thinking that I'm somehow obligated to pay them is the bizarre take.

You're making up a position that I haven't taken. Maybe you did it on purpose, maybe on accident. Either way, you're arguing against something different than what I said. Nobody is obligated on either side. It's selfish to assert obligation.

You’re asserting users are selfish. I don’t know what you think you are saying, but in a business the customers can demand whatever they want and leave if they are not happy. That does not make them selfish.

That’s business.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by anigbrowl »

lazystar wrote: post #114
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

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27k people packed the Oakland Athletics' stadium yesterday (compared to the more usual 7-8k home crowd attendance) to exhort the owners to sell the team rather than move it to Las Vegas in return for a stadium boondoggle. I suspect few of these baseball fans know much of financial engineering or other technical business considerations, they just consider the team owner to be a greedy douchebag who doesn't care about Oakland or indeed baseball, and recognize that the owner has been engaged in playing different municipalities off against each other to see who will cough up the largest subsidy.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by SethKinast »

JoyfulTurkey wrote: post #413
plandis wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I trust the CEO who was just recently caught in a lie about blackmail despite evidence to the contrary and in the past has straight up edited people’s comments without any notification that Reddit is responsible for the edits?

I haven't been paying close attention to all of the spez/Apollo stuff, was there actually any evidence from either side? Last I saw it was mostly just each party posting contradictory text in replies.

Yes, Christian (legally) recorded all calls with Reddit and published them.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by yanderekko »

concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

>They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies.

The implication is that prioritizing the latter at all points in time is incompatible with the former. Seems reasonable enough. What does it mean to be "interested in moderating" if the outcome is that you do no actual moderation?

>And they're still insulting everyone's intelligence, as if a single mod reopening against strong subreddit consensus was something Reddit Inc. needed to begrudgingly "respect", rather than something they're eagerly encouraging.

For the sake of grandstanding you might want them to come out and say "any of you scabs want to cross the picket line for us?", but only spez would be stupid enough to actually do that.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by redbell »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

> but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system

We all hope Hacker News remains the exception, otherwise, it might mark the end of “the internet as we love it”

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