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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by itsthecourier »

capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

I use reddit a lot and I hate all these blackouts. I pay reddit premium because I like what the platform gives me back.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by slaymaker1907 »

ddtaylor wrote: post #98
satvikpendem wrote: post #71

> If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. Moderators exist to moderate a community, not to shut it down wholesale. Reddit's respon…

Mods have always been told that subreddits are their spaces to operate and that as long as they're not breaking any of the site-wide rules, they are free to do whatever they wish. This is a violation of that trust.

> Subreddits belong to the community of users who come to them for support and conversation. Moderators are stewards of these spaces and in a position of trust. Redditors rely on these spaces for information, support, entertainment, and connection.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a5lz5/mod_cod...

I actually take issue with polling to shut down communities as well. Linux and many other huge FOSS projects effectively can't change their license because they are composites created from contributions of many people so you'd need to get _unanimous_ agreement from all those users to actually change the license. In fact, if a sub goes private, that content is still there, but even if you created the post/comment, you cannot edit/delete it without nuking your whole account!

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by [deleted] »

kirso wrote: post #385
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. If you find the right communities, you really make close friendships with people - even if you don't know their real names, how old they are, where they work, or where they live. None of that matters, because you share and connect over a common interest. And you could never find so many people IRL with similar interests as you. If this isn't how you're using reddit, discord, etc, and it's easy to disconne…

Problem is an average consumer uses reddit for memes and buying recommendations. The magic however is indeed as you pointed out discussing various topics: - Gear in baldurs gate - How to create a hardware clone of R2D2 - Books that you couldn't put down - What is the best present I can give to my friend - Summary of Hubermans protocols - Etc. thats the beauty of it and I would miss it.

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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jhanschoo »

harryf wrote: post #139
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

What gives me hope is if you ever take a break from social media you realize how worthless it all is. It really doesn’t hurt to disengage. For similar reasons it’s possible for new networks to show up which disrupt the old, such as TikTok. The point is as individuals we are way less dependent on social media than we imagine.

For reddit specifically, I have to disagree. It's a sad state the Internet has become, where you used to get coherent results from decentralized blogs when you google a sufficiently niche hobbyist topic. These days you just get content marketing spam. Append reddit to your search and you get subject-matter experts. The valuable conversation and folk knowledge is all siloed on social media.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by itsthecourier »

0xParlay wrote: post #299

Reddit clearly doesn't understand the product. When users join a sub it's because they like the content and tacitly approve of the moderation. All but new users are aware that subs are governed by mods. Installing a corporate-approved mod panel because a community isn't acting in Reddit Inc's financial best interest is to light the whole product on fire. What's the point of starting a new sub if it'll be repurposed a…

I'm super angry of all the mods who are taking the subs prisoner. If you don't like to pay reddit back, then let us use it. I'm a premium user and I pay reddit because I like the content, freemium users pay back watching ads, I was a freemium user of other platforms for decades. Why is letting them charge so bad?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by hgs3 »

danudey wrote: post #195
mandmandam wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! And they're so incredibly cheap to run, in the scheme of things. They're TEXT and LINKS ffs. Even Snapchat, which deals in video, costs about $2.50 per user per year to run. Honestly, we're some set of dopes to let people like Zuck and Huffman build yachts and apocalypse bunkers, with bloody advertising money, all for the genius idea of sharing text and links on the internet.

Text and links, but then also recommendation algorithms, spam filtering, image hosting, lightning-fast caching systems so that your main feed doesn't take hours to load fetching row by row from MySQL, geographically distributed data centres for redundancy and locality. Then there's the ad engine, which requires user data harvesting, and all of that analytics and analysis and machine learning, and that all gets expens…

If you're a non-profit then you don't need a recommendation engine or an ad engine. You also don't need to self host video and images, at least initially. Reddit, for the longest time, relied on Imgur and embedded video players until they built their own infrastructure. Also, thanks to advances in AI, there is an opportunity for AI moderators for content curation. As far as caching and web scale in general, you don't need a full server farm initially. Even Google started with a single server rack.

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Post by paulhodge »

it's fun that the online community is getting a crash course in how protests and strikes actually work. As people have known since forever, a strike needs to be all-in or else it's too easy for the company to replace them with strikebreakers.

There's been so so many bad takes of "oh why don't they just protest by doing X instead" and 99% of the time the answer is, because we already know that X doesn't work.

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