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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by capableweb »

Karellen wrote: post #293
capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

I suppose it depends how active that 3% of the userbase is. If those 3% of users are responsible for e.g. 20% of the page views, and therefore potentially 20% of ad placements, maybe they are really having a big impact?

Isn't most of the income (or all?) for reddit from ads and awards? So the people actively adding value/content gets punished, while the amount of people seeing ads remain the same? Seems even more crazy if true then.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

bleepblop wrote: post #198
gtm1260 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also bet that the majority of Reddit users care more about having an open subreddit than the mods do as well.

At this point let it burn. A giant wildfire stimulates growth. Sure at the moment it's destructive, but over time new life emerges.

As our Digg forebearers once taught us. A lesson the current Reddit executives must have forgotten.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by nerdbert »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #140
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed. The ones who don't like the changes are leaving anyway.

I sure haven't seen that. The subs that I participate in regularly which have remained closed, have had polls and/or discussions about it, and the members overwhelmingly agreed with the moderators. Maybe it depends on how strong the particular community is.

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Post by flutas »

capableweb wrote: post #297
flutas wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 3% probably consists of a majority of the 1% who post content, and the .1% who moderate content. Without either of those, the site becomes stale and overrun by trash content.

He also claimed most mods don't use 3rd party apps: > Huffman said 97% of Reddit users do not use any third-party apps to browse the site. He said "the vast majority" of moderators also do not rely on third-party apps.

The big issue is you can hide a lot in statements like that.

I can't find super trustworthy numbers (and I can't verify this due to that), but if there are about 3.4m subs and only 140k of them are active, every single active sub could have a mod that uses a 3rd party app and you could still claim "the vast majority" don't use them.

I also find it fairly interesting he would quote a percentage for users, but not for mods.

[0]: https://www.businessdit.com/how-many-subreddits-are-there/

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Post by tensor »

minhazm wrote: post #117

Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacem…

Yes, if they let me pay to get rid of ads and continue to use Apollo then I'd not be upset. People are not being unreasonable, however, because reddit did not do this. And thus, no I will not install their app, and with this stripping of the moderators, will no longer even use their website.

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Post by bryan0 »

minhazm wrote: post #117

Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacem…

Like many things in life, people are not outraged by the change, but in how the change was handled.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by neoromantique »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #268
pkulak wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left the mod team of the sub I started 16 years ago. Just not interested in providing free labor anymore.

That's all fine and well. I mod a couple of large subs but I exclusively use desktop so I'm not affected. I just don't think mods should be ending the communities, most of which they didn't start themselves. Let other people who don't share their issues take over.

>large subs

>I exclusively use desktop so I'm not affected

[Doubt]

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by onionisafruit »

thih9 wrote: post #272

But the community supports the protest. Subreddits can just open and pivot. E.g. architecture communities could become places to discuss api architecture and 3rd party apps; etc. Or subreddits could start going private every Tuesday and Wednesday. Or something else; with community’s support there are countless loopholes.

/r/anime_titties can pivot to pictures of anime titties

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Post by [deleted] »

galleywest200 wrote: post #318
capableweb wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also claimed most mods don't use 3rd party apps: > Huffman said 97% of Reddit users do not use any third-party apps to browse the site. He said "the vast majority" of moderators also do not rely on third-party apps.

Most mods seem to use the old.reddit.com website, possibly utilizing Mod Toolbox as well. It seems most mods do not use an app for moderating at all.

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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by andreareina »

silcoon wrote: post #255
mtc010170 wrote: post #84

Watch out folks - critical discussions about Reddit seem to be getting flagged as flame bait. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36347400 Idk why. We should be able to have a civilized, intellectually curious discussion about this. The future of Reddit (and its implications for the future of the Internet) is pretty on-topic to me for HN. @dang can we get a stance on this?

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/reddit

> We moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC-related startup is the story

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34937269

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