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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by zaat »

camdenlock wrote: post #220
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

There is no such thing as “the internet community”. There is just humanity.

Not sure what you mean, about half the people I know are not on the web at all, or just browsing mainstream news sites occasionally. Then there is the group of people who use social media to some degree and are online a lot. These are 2 distinctive groups, both are parts of humanity but only one of them is related to the internet community.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by bee_rider »

dsir wrote: post #148
gareth_untether wrote: post #7

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

I've been working on a platform with a bit of a different take on the online community space. It's sort of a Reddit/Discord/Patreon hybrid. We've built a place to monetarily incentivize ownership over the communities created on the platform. It feels like the people curating the communities should be rewarded for the work that they do. Here's an example community: https://sociables.com/community/Sports/board/trending

A couple work-in-progress sites have been posted here that seem, like yours, to be aiming for a business model that isn’t 100% ad funded.

I think it is really cool that people are trying new businesses models, ad driven social media has all sorts of awful incentives, hopefully one of you folks can win the next round.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by 99_00 »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

You haven't said what the mistake is. Is it a mistake to use socially media because the connections aren't peremmant?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by barbariangrunge »

gareth_untether wrote: post #7

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

I think this is by far the most important issue. Reddit killed online forums en masse. Where else can people go? There needs to be a viable alternative.

Great startup opportunity btw, but hopefully whatever the new platform is will be foss and federated, ideally like email so you can keep in touch after the platform dies

I heard some people suggest rss based tech as the glue to bind people together

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Post by phalangion »

LexiMax wrote: post #285
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed. The ones who don't like the changes are leaving anyway.

> Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open I still see pro-blackout threads regularly shooting to the top of /r/all - which wouldn't get that far if they were down-voted by an angry populace.

I wonder if many of those most upset about the changes (and therefore pro-blackout) have also stopped visiting Reddit in protest. I know I fall into that camp.

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Post by Kilgore54 »

AwaAwa wrote: post #282
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Try not paying your taxes and see what happens. We have always been reduced to producers of monetary value for an intermediary. We pretend we are in control of that intermediary, and maybe once we were. Much like the beginning of every social media site.

It's not really an apples to apples comparison. You're talking about taxation, governments can absolutely run stuff that is not profitable and do all the time.

Better example would be to not pay your rent or your mortgage... But we don't want to make the mistake of equating governments with private capital. If anything governments are controlled by private capital disproportionately when they are often the only defense we have to try to defeat centers of power on such a scale.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by George83728 »

EA-3167 wrote: post #87
CincinnatiMan wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.

How do you tell a willing user with the intention to keep a sub running as is, and a willing user who just wants to burn it all down, turn it into their own fiefdom, or worse? What's the ratio of the former to the latter, and does Reddit have the manpower to tell to the difference on a time frame that keeps the subs alive? What's the impact of a bunch of people who know how the sausage is made being essentially coup'…

> How do you tell a willing user with the intention to keep a sub running as is, and a willing user who just wants to burn it all down, turn it into their own fiefdom, or worse?

Same way Reddit admins have always done that; by ignoring all but the most egregious violations.

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Post by [deleted] »

flutas wrote: post #263
capableweb wrote: post #199

One thing I don't quite understand is how the CEO first claims that only 3% of the user base is using 3rd party apps, and then later claims that "And the opportunity cost of not having those users (3rd part app users) on our platform, on our advertising platform, is really significant" (from https://www.npr.org/2023/06/15/1182457366/reddit-ceo-steve-h... ) Is that 3% of the user base really having such a big impact s…

That 3% probably consists of a majority of the 1% who post content, and the .1% who moderate content. Without either of those, the site becomes stale and overrun by trash content.

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Post by kccqzy »

harryf wrote: post #139
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

What gives me hope is if you ever take a break from social media you realize how worthless it all is. It really doesn’t hurt to disengage. For similar reasons it’s possible for new networks to show up which disrupt the old, such as TikTok. The point is as individuals we are way less dependent on social media than we imagine.

I don't consider Reddit in the same league as other social media sites. I consider it a centralized collection of forums. I hardly use my Reddit account, but I have obtained tremendous amount of useful information by searching for a topic and landing on a useful Reddit post or comment.

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Post by dotnet00 »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Agreed. The nice part is that often those connections can be moved elsewhere, especially for us more tech savy people.

Having first purged my posts on reddit and recently outright deleting my account, it's been refreshing to realize that I can indeed go without reddit, even without the few subs I found particularly useful.

The few strong online friendships I've made have long since been "backed up" to Matrix and the Fediverse with self hosted instances after experiencing spurious bans on discord and realizing how fragile the centralized arrangement is.

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