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Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#252Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacem…
I think there is a real difference in the ratio between consumers and producers of content on the two sites.
The vast majority (99.9%) of YouTube users contribute no content to it. The proportion of users who comment/submit on Reddit is much higher.
As an analogy, a third-party app for uploading YouTube videos efficiently, without ads, seems like a much more reasonable proposition, because that app is tailored towards content producers.
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
GP already highlighted the dishonesty, it's here: > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community The mods, as GP stated, are interested in moderating that community, they just disagree with Reddit's changes. They wouldn't be taking the path of shuttering their subs in protest if they didn't give a damn. That is absolutely dishonesty on the part of Reddit.
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From what I understood, the problem is less the change itself but more the short notice. 30 days isn't much to redesign your app and monetization, especially if you had many users on year-long subscription plans.
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#254The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…
Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed. The ones who don't like the changes are leaving anyway.
I left the mod team of the sub I started 16 years ago. Just not interested in providing free labor anymore.
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#255Watch out folks - critical discussions about Reddit seem to be getting flagged as flame bait. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36347400 Idk why. We should be able to have a civilized, intellectually curious discussion about this. The future of Reddit (and its implications for the future of the Internet) is pretty on-topic to me for HN. @dang can we get a stance on this?
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#256The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…
Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed. The ones who don't like the changes are leaving anyway.
> Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed.
I've seen this oft repeated, but never backed up. The only poll I've seen results from[0] was overwhelmingly to stay shutdown indefinitely.
On top of that, you're probably going to be getting into sampling bias with larger subs, since most users that care are purposefully avoiding the site trying to "starve" them and wouldn't even know about the polls.
[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/149o61f/should_rho...
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#257Ah the classic beatings will continue until morale improves approach. Starting to think Reddit leadership is genuinely not all that sharp
There are likely hundreds if not thousands of users who would be willing to become mods of each of the subreddits that are still in private mode. I know I would mod some of the subs I find useful.
It would probably be a great time to try and hop in, become a mod, and cause some ridiculous drama if you were so inclined.
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
What gives me hope is if you ever take a break from social media you realize how worthless it all is. It really doesn’t hurt to disengage. For similar reasons it’s possible for new networks to show up which disrupt the old, such as TikTok. The point is as individuals we are way less dependent on social media than we imagine.
I’m assuming you’ve talked yourself into believing HN isn’t social media?
hm? Of course it is?
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#259Reddit would be right to remove these moderators. This protest does nothing for the users of Reddit. Why would they maintain a website of derelict communities when there's a clear and obvious alternative?
Huh? The protest is to make it possible to keep things working. It's bizarre to see the amount of complaining about mods making or breaking a sub and then at the same time the amount of people calling their actions impactless or leading to derelict communities. Which is it? Do users and Reddit need them or do they not? The only option after fucking over volunteers is that Reddit can start paying people to moderate an…
> The protest is to make it possible to keep things working. It's bizarre to see the amount of complaining about mods making or breaking a sub and then at the same time the amount of people calling their actions impactless or leading to derelict communities. Which is it? Do users and Reddit need them or do they not?
First off, different people have different opinions. Pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of loose groups of people with different opinions, different reasons for associating with each other, is just silly.
Secondly, reddit and their users might need moderation, but that doesn't mean they need these particular mods. Reddit can take the subreddits from these mods, give them all the finger, and keep whatever users choose to say (which is probably most of them.) There will be no shortage of new mod volunteers. Many of them will be bad a the job, they can be weeded out over time just like usual. They don't have to pay mods, mods have no leverage to make such demands because there's a huge crowd of scabs willing to take the job and no labor organization laws cover unpaid mods.
Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
#260We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…
Except, the lockout is self imposed. Reddit's "crime" is closing down their API... users just need to use the actual reddit app and they can keep their connection/communities going.
It does sucks for the people who've built their livelihood offering 3rd party reddit clients though. Sure it was always a risk. Big tech destroys entire businesses on a regular basis. Doesn't make it a bad choice on their part--the (american foot)ball simply bounced the wrong direction.