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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by i_like_apis »

phpisthebest wrote: post #86
i_like_apis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hey TIL I am a "whining idiot" because I do use a 3rd app, refuse to use the official reddit mobile app, and see this API access as a prelude to killing off old.reddit as well, which is the only usable web based UI, the new UI is trash. So if old.reddit goes, and 3rd party apps go, I have no interest in suing reddit. I guess that means I am a whining idiot //for the record I am not a mod anywhere on reddit at all

Maybe it’s too harsh that I used the term “whining idiots”, but if you’re going to make a retort you shouldn’t play into “whining” by being sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn’t win anyone over ever.

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Post by cbo100 »

ryanmerket wrote: post #173
jjulius wrote: post #106

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GP already highlighted the dishonesty, it's here: > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community The mods, as GP stated, are interested in moderating that community, they just disagree with Reddit's changes. They wouldn't be taking the path of shuttering their subs in protest if they didn't give a damn. That is absolutely dishonesty on the part of Reddit.

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> Looking at Reddit's new API pricing, 100 calls per day per average user would cost $0.72 / month

The problem I think they will run into is that this 100 calls per day average is across all users, even those who don't use it that much.

Once you intersect that with the users who care enough and are willing to pay $2+ per month the average calls per user will blow out.

You pretty much have to be a heavy user in order to justify spending money on it.

And the Relay dev even points that out:

> An example is that a subscription could act as a filter where mostly high-rate users convert.

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Post by MaxikCZ »

Vanclief wrote: post #183

Unfortunate, but it was pretty obvious this would happen. The blackouts lasting only 48 hours was a mistake anyways. The only way I see them changing course is if enough people: 1. Delete the official app 2. Stop buying reddit awards, subscriptions, etc. 3. Mass delete their comments (Ideally after backing them up so that they can restore them later) 4. Stop visiting reddit all together From reddit, this could easily…

1. never used it

2. never bought any

3. too much work

4. as soon as my RedditIsFun app stops working

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by UncleMeat »

epicureanideal wrote: post #133
vxNsr wrote: post #112

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At scale that’s relatively expensive though, $2.5x1billion is still 2.5 billion dollars. That money needs to come from somewhere…

Membership fees. If we could get customers used to buying things again, $10/yr or $100/lifetime membership fees seems more than reasonable.

And yet, people whine incessantly about YouTube Premium or about Netflix not letting people squat on each other's accounts.

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Post by ahahahahah »

"Subreddits belong to the community of users who come to them for support and conversation. Moderators are stewards of these spaces and in a position of trust."

This seems like a totally reasonable position. I don't want subreddits that I care about held hostage by some moderator with a vendetta.

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Post by prattmic »

jorvi wrote: post #163
elektor wrote: post #121

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Do you have a source for that $2.5 figure?

That number seems incredibly unlikely. I’m a relatively casual Snapchat user, and from ~45GB of cellular use, ~3.5GB is from Snapchat. That’s just egress bandwidth (from Snapchat’s point of view), they also have to ingress my snaps as well as temporarily host stories and snaps in transit.

Q1 earnings (https://s25.q4cdn.com/442043304/files/doc_financials/2023/q1...) says 383M daily active users and $1.3B in costs (including sales, administrative, etc), for ~$3.50/user/quarter or ~$14/user/year. So far above $2.50/user/year. Even just using cost of revenue is ~$4.50/user/year.

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Post by hotpotamus »

jorvi wrote: post #163
elektor wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for that $2.5 figure?

That number seems incredibly unlikely. I’m a relatively casual Snapchat user, and from ~45GB of cellular use, ~3.5GB is from Snapchat. That’s just egress bandwidth (from Snapchat’s point of view), they also have to ingress my snaps as well as temporarily host stories and snaps in transit.

I think the big cloud providers have warped peoples' sense of what these things actually cost (and also the massive scale of these userbases that allows the costs to be spread widely). Egress is one places where providers make their (significant) margins.

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Post by satvikpendem »

ulrashida wrote: post #185
satvikpendem wrote: post #128

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Just as in real life, voting may not be representative of the whole story. Selection bias can occur where people who care very much about a topic would vote for it while most casual users won't even care enough to vote. The polls I've seen on Reddit are a vast minority of overall votes compared to the subreddit size in subscribers, keeping in mind that many lurkers also don't even directly subscribe to a sub but may…

At the end of the day, if you don't care enough to participate you are obliged to accept the outcome that results. If you don't like the results, it's time to participate, continue to watch, or pack up.

Sure. At the same time, if you hold a protest on a platform you don't control, don't be surprised if the platform owners seek to remove you from the platform. A private entity is not obliged as a democratic government is to support the will of their users.

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Post by paholg »

Panzer04 wrote: post #92
shivy wrote: post #13

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https://kbin.social is a great alternative from what I can see. https://kbin.social/m/apple is already thriving, as is https://kbin.social/m/programming

The concern I have with these federated instances is I don't see how they resolve the long term problems of stability. Content on instances can disappear at a moment's notice if it goes down. My favorite part about reddit is the amount of information it has that is well-indexed by google. These Lemmy and kbin alternatives might fulfill the moment-to-moment chatter, but it worries me that there's no guarantee of conti…

Information is distributed across instances. If instance A hosts community C and a user on instance B subscribes to that community, its posts will be duplicated on instance B.

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Post by nine_zeros »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

You are not wrong but the real problem is not profitability, but constantly increasing profitability, quarter over quarter.
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