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Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by foogazi »

merpnderp wrote: post #20
belval wrote: post #17

> The attempt by auto manufacturers to cut out the dealer would only result in higher prices and less customer service to the public,” he said. “The new car dealer is the customer’s advocate when it comes to warranty work and service on a manufacturer’s product, and this bill will protect that So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? I haven't…

Last time I bought a car, I called around until I found a good deal then I went there and talked to them to get the actual number. Then I called the other dealers I'd spoken with and asked if they could beat that deal. I spent 8 hours going back and forth, but got my car for 20% off MSRP. I couldn't have done that if I'd been dealing directly with Ford.

You got a better price than the other dealers offered but not less than what it cost that dealer

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by detourdog »

emodendroket wrote: post #133
detourdog wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically if there is an existing physical dealership one is excluded from seting up a virtual store.

Seems like this would create a temptation to spin off another company that just does EVs.

This really seems like late stage capitalism. The partnership between automakers and auto dealers has been celebrated over a 100 years. They are now employing politicians to legislate the business partnership over their shared interest.

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Post by emodendroket »

detourdog wrote: post #142
emodendroket wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like this would create a temptation to spin off another company that just does EVs.

This really seems like late stage capitalism. The partnership between automakers and auto dealers has been celebrated over a 100 years. They are now employing politicians to legislate the business partnership over their shared interest.

They have been doing that for over a century. So, if so, the late stage of capitalism is dragging on a bit. I would challenge the notion that dealers have been “celebrated” by anyone but themselves.

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Post by no_wizard »

j16sdiz wrote: post #107
jackmott42 wrote: post #73

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There used to be a very few number of car companies who held a lot of power over dealerships and used to abuse that power, which led to laws protecting dealers in ways that at least arguably made sense at the time, but don't anymore.

Do we now have lots of new car company? ( i don't think so ) Does car company now have less power? ( with subscription and OTA updates , I think they have more power than ever)

I think if we removed the dealership (sometimes called "franchise") laws that prevent manufacturers from selling directly to consumers, we could see more competition not just between existing players but also lowers the barrier for new entrants into the market.

Tesla and Rivian, for example, wouldn't even be able to exist without this, the cost of setting up new dealerships is enormous otherwise.

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by no_wizard »

jmclnx wrote: post #23
belval wrote: post #17

> The attempt by auto manufacturers to cut out the dealer would only result in higher prices and less customer service to the public,” he said. “The new car dealer is the customer’s advocate when it comes to warranty work and service on a manufacturer’s product, and this bill will protect that So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? I haven't…

Also with the right-to-repair fights, the automakers want to kill all the independent Auto Repair and Auto Parts Shops. We really need to get right-to-repair laws passed and enabled.

Separate issue though. The dealerships don't help here, they typically only use OEM parts anyway

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by detourdog »

emodendroket wrote: post #143
detourdog wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really seems like late stage capitalism. The partnership between automakers and auto dealers has been celebrated over a 100 years. They are now employing politicians to legislate the business partnership over their shared interest.

They have been doing that for over a century. So, if so, the late stage of capitalism is dragging on a bit. I would challenge the notion that dealers have been “celebrated” by anyone but themselves.

I was trying to describe the celebration that went on between the auto makers and the dealers. I'm sure there were many get togethers at resorts all over the world for them to celebrate the relationship.

They are now in the same relationship but are using politicians to maintain the status quo relationship. It definitely is not a healthy sign for the efficiencies of business in the USA.

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by emodendroket »

detourdog wrote: post #146
emodendroket wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have been doing that for over a century. So, if so, the late stage of capitalism is dragging on a bit. I would challenge the notion that dealers have been “celebrated” by anyone but themselves.

I was trying to describe the celebration that went on between the auto makers and the dealers. I'm sure there were many get togethers at resorts all over the world for them to celebrate the relationship. They are now in the same relationship but are using politicians to maintain the status quo relationship. It definitely is not a healthy sign for the efficiencies of business in the USA.

But that’s not exactly right. Going back to the 1920s dealerships were reaching for the lever of legislative action to protect their position and they’ve done it over and over since.

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by detourdog »

emodendroket wrote: post #147
detourdog wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to describe the celebration that went on between the auto makers and the dealers. I'm sure there were many get togethers at resorts all over the world for them to celebrate the relationship. They are now in the same relationship but are using politicians to maintain the status quo relationship. It definitely is not a healthy sign for the efficiencies of business in the USA.

But that’s not exactly right. Going back to the 1920s dealerships were reaching for the lever of legislative action to protect their position and they’ve done it over and over since.

Oh, my mistake this is business as usual. All the their happy talk fooled me. Do you know a case name?

Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Post by emodendroket »

detourdog wrote: post #148
emodendroket wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that’s not exactly right. Going back to the 1920s dealerships were reaching for the lever of legislative action to protect their position and they’ve done it over and over since.

Oh, my mistake this is business as usual. All the their happy talk fooled me. Do you know a case name?

This article people have been passing around in the thread contains a bit of a history of the car dealership lobbying, which started during World War I when they feared being driven out of business by automakers converting entirely to war materiel production and cutting them out. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/rich-republicans...
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