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Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Re: Gov. DeSantis signs bill banning most direct-to-consumer auto sales

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Looks like from some of these replies that the Reddit folks made their way to HN.

This thread involves both politics and Musk/Tesla, a cross-section of categories that often invites low-quality comments. It need only add cryptocurrency to achieve the trifecta.

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The single greatest politically backward thing in America is how the republican party has positioned itself as a pro free market party by, as best as I can tell, often championing precisely the opposite.

Not to mention that the concept of a free market stands in contradiction with the heavy Republican appetite for social restrictions.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These dealer protection laws made sense decades ago, they no longer make sense, but dealers bribe our politicians to protect them. That is all it is.

How did they make sense decades ago? What changed?

There used to be a very few number of car companies who held a lot of power over dealerships and used to abuse that power, which led to laws protecting dealers in ways that at least arguably made sense at the time, but don't anymore.

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A unpopular view but… This is why overruling Lochner may not have been so great. We used to have “right to contract” and so the state couldn’t forbid me from purchasing an item that the seller wanted to sell me. But now it’s more like you get to participate in the economy only in the way that the legislature decides is acceptable.

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> The attempt by auto manufacturers to cut out the dealer would only result in higher prices and less customer service to the public,” he said. “The new car dealer is the customer’s advocate when it comes to warranty work and service on a manufacturer’s product, and this bill will protect that So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? I haven't…

Last time I bought a car, I called around until I found a good deal then I went there and talked to them to get the actual number. Then I called the other dealers I'd spoken with and asked if they could beat that deal. I spent 8 hours going back and forth, but got my car for 20% off MSRP. I couldn't have done that if I'd been dealing directly with Ford.

Good for you? What if we had a free market approach where both options are available and we can see what happens? How is more competition not a good thing?

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Although dealerships suck I’m not convinced that direct-to-consumer auto sales won’t also have their own special brand of fuckery, and I’m not exactly sure which business model will be better in the long run. I see potential for abuse like never before.

Direct to consumer sales works fine for everything else.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? because cars require service, someone needs to do that service, be trained and have master techs on that service. How do you handle lemon laws without dealerships? Just look at the nightmare tesla has been for owners with years of bad repairs, delays, etc. OEMs provide a bunch of stuff that is adhoc t…

> because cars require service, someone needs to do that service, be trained and have master techs on that service. My cars have had no trouble getting service at independent mechanics. > How do you handle lemon laws without dealerships? The same way we handle them with dealerships? The organization that sold you the car is responsible for the fixes, or refunding the vehicle if it can't be fixed.

> My cars have had no trouble getting service at independent mechanics.

Have you ever worked at an indy? We rely heavily on dealerships for anything from borrowing specialty tooling, local parts departments, knowledge and advise etc.

> The organization that sold you the car is responsible for the fixes, or refunding the vehicle if it can't be fixed.

Totally.

I think it's six of one half a dozen of the other. Car manufacturers generally coalesce around the efficiency of having new sales, parts departments, repair departments all in one building in many localities spread all over the place.

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> The attempt by auto manufacturers to cut out the dealer would only result in higher prices and less customer service to the public,” he said. “The new car dealer is the customer’s advocate when it comes to warranty work and service on a manufacturer’s product, and this bill will protect that So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? I haven't…

> So this is the reason given in the article, but what are good reasons, if any, to prevent direct-to-customer sales? because cars require service, someone needs to do that service, be trained and have master techs on that service. How do you handle lemon laws without dealerships? Just look at the nightmare tesla has been for owners with years of bad repairs, delays, etc. OEMs provide a bunch of stuff that is adhoc t…

And yet nearly everything else you buy doesn’t require a dealer. Even in the rare opportunity of buying a new construction house you can buy from the developer (though with the possibility of being forced through a particular title agency).

Any time I need to go through a dealer for a product (unique appliances or equipment), I know I’m about to pay more than I should.

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