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/r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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There was a brief period where the internet was shockingly stable. However, 'creative destruction' and churn is inevitable as the whole world continues to desire a better internet. If reddit cannot productively use this to come out with a better product and commitment to its community, hence destroy the bad within itself, it should fall apart in favor of new services. I spent a decade+ actively on reddit, and I truly…

While it's far from over, the Facebook-Twitter-Reddit consensus does seem a lot shakier right now. I'm excited to see what the more fractured/federated social space of tomorrow will look like but I also feel like we'll come to miss some of the more contentious features of the current megaplatforms (e.g. centralized moderation).

reddit and steve are too overconfident to see and realize that joining federation is their path to survival.

fear and denial will drive them to build garden walls when they should be transforming to stay ahead of obsolescence. turning into tiktok is fad chasing and a means to end of times, destruction, and relegation to has been status. myspace and tumblr realized too latomethi/ng e, and their transformations were never positioned to restore former glory.

what i would like to see is federation separate itself into three components. identify, client, server. the identity system should be divorced from the other two components and allow me to sign into any server. (as much as typing this next sentence will lose some people, public blockchains are a good way to store identity, where different servers can collaborate to host a unified identity database.) anyone should be able to use any client with any server. adding servers to my client should be no harder than an rss subscription. my configuration, my subscriptions should be stored with my identity, (not in an instance) and instantly portable to new clients. having an identity protocol, many client vendors, and multiple standardized server implementations will create something long lasting and resilient. the firms who choose that path will be the leaders.

how could reddit monetize this? run an identity server, have a direct messaging path to customers. fracture and make many competing clients for different peoplebases and community types. some free, some not. build an open source server backend and go the redhat model, selling enterprise support to large firms that want to host a community, and sell development services to honor feature requests from those customers.

(i know the fediverse is close to a lot of this, but the way identity is tied to instance isnt something i see as ideal. a lack of nomadic identity / identity portability makes the fediverse as fragile as any other centralized site. the fediverse being grafted onto existing dns, and having identity owned by a specific downstream host is problematic. identity should be distributed above the dns layer, not below cnames. the same applies to communities not being able to push themselves to new instances in an .. instant. serving of data is too centralized, and a p2p cdn layer /ipfs would help. the instance and the client seem too closely tied together as well. the way i see the current instances is the opposite of portability. im sure there is a lot of fast moving development going on, and hope someone can correct me. top answer here is a bit of a dealbreaker https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/134oud8/are_there... and where a blockchain ecosystem could help.)

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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post #80

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Seriously though, it's absurd that such a small group of incredibly privileged users (mods) get to speak for the majority and make decisions for them. Reddit should be removing these mods, adding new ones, and reopening subs. Mods shouldn't get to hold entire communities hostage when they throw a tantrum. Anyone can moderate a subreddit, these mods aren't special and they're completely replaceable. They should be rem…

Go start your own subreddit then if anyone can do it! I'm sure you'll have tons of users and it will be super popular!

Half the battle of a popular sub is getting a good name.

A sub like /r/startrek is going to be popular by default. That's why people are squatting on subs like /r/ps8 right now even though a PlayStation 8 is probably 20 years away from being an actual product.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

#133
post #38

HN being endlessly contrarian is really weird sometimes. You are in real-time witnessing the rebirth of community hosted and run forums. The thing HN has been lamenting the death of forever. This isn't some "migrate from walled garden A to walled garden B", this is the community setting up new-age phpBB except it's federated and interoperates with any and all ActivityPub. You can subscribe to /r/startrek from your Tw…

Just to be endlessly contrarian: "HN" has always loved reddit. Even during the protests, there was a lot of talk about how wonderful reddit is. If this sort of thing becomes more widespread, their karma points might be seriously devalued!

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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post #100

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I came in here to say exactly this. The mods don't own the subreddit. Reddit isn't just going to go "well, guess we can't have a Startrek sub with the most obvious name for one because the mods of /r/startrek don't want to use reddit anymore." The reinstated reddit sub will very quickly overtake the Lemmy sub in activity. Many of the posters who went to Lemmy will slowly migrate back to reddit. The mods will have los…

> The mods don't own the subreddit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36341470

The mods of Reddit are 100% replaceable, and not comparable to HN moderation, mainly because HN pays dang and he is specifically accountable for maintaining the site.

If dang did poorly enough for long enough, he'd be replaced (or they'd shut HN down).

Also, there isn't nearly as much special about HN as some people seem to think. It's prone to every one of the same issues Reddit has, the incentives are just aligned differently for dang.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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post #126

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If you can enumerate all of the threads in a subreddit, each thread is a blob of JSON when you tack `.json` on to the end. Tangentially, https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/12ucc9z/downlo... and https://old.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/c93rdt/how_do_i_... A sibling comment mentions ArchiveTeam, which ends up in the Wayback Machine. Some work to be done around tools to make that corpus more readily availa…

Crawling is indirect. This isn’t a protocol like IMAP where each object exists inherently as specified by the protocol. The idea of a “thread” or “user” does not exist in HTTP, only “documents” do. Everything at this layer is made up by (and at the disposal of) the operator and is not standardized.

Rarely do optimal conditions exist unfortunately.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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I agree, particularly because I think smaller communities are a solution to the moderation problems that have plagued traditional megaplatforms. That or developing better NLP tools that are able to better understand human nuance in a comment. The latter could be a dangerous tool...

The smaller you are the less it matters. One thing that annoys me about Mastodon is that the medium amplifies angry toots, particularly about politics. I don't want to read anything where anybody active after 1945 is accused to be "a Nazi" or "a fascist" for instance. Because there are so many toots to read I have no problems losing some toots so if the model rejects some stuff because it is about a topic that people…

So what do you call white supremacists who adorn themselves with swastikas?

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

#138
post #74

No, the members of /r/startrek are vowing to not use Reddit anymore. /r/startrek will be considered abandoned and given to anyone who asks for it. Reddit will take it away from these mods and I don't blame them. Maybe nobody will use it, but some people probably will, people who don't give a shit about stupid Internet wars and just want to read about and discuss things Star Trek. ...which, believe it or not, is most…

> the members of /r/startrek are vowing to not use Reddit anymore Oh, I don't see evidence of that. At best this looks like the *mods* of /r/startrek are making that vow.

Great point, mods are acting like the users support them, when in reality a tiny handful support them extremely loudly, but it's unclear how the vast majority of users feel.

Re: /r/startrek/ migrates to lemmy

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post #78

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By definition the protest will always be meaningless, because ultimately the vast majority of users don't care. Reddit can weather this storm because most of the people who they make money off of are confused about what this is about and when it blows over will be otherwise ambivalent about all of it. This was never going to work. Mods should have used this moment to get paid (percentage of ad revenue generated by th…

The people who care will move on, the people who don't can play with the leftovers. It's fine. People still use MySpace after all. Over time, the newbies will start to realize that they're using a hollowsite and start looking for more substance, and they'll come find us wherever we happen to be.

Yeah, and "wherever the community happens to be" will be Reddit. Mods have zero control over this.
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