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I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by weatherlite »

kodah wrote: post #106
firebirdn99 wrote: post #44

This really feels farcical, and kind of like vc bros hyping up a product. Considering this was a serious issue of life and death of a patient, it was surprising how it read like a prank or like the scene from Harold and Kumar, where Kumar plays a fake doctor and saves an ER patient through sheer luck. I know some doctors are full of baloney but c'mon. I really hope maybe that we create better doctors that have a lot…

Fake or not, people are incorporating ChatGPT into their work. We had a pipeline break today and when we looked at the PR that introduced the change it was in the PR notes that the tooling configuration was derived from a ChatGPT prompt. What do you even say or do about that?

> What do you even say or do about that?

Nothing, you fix it. Since its a pipeline it was probably non trivial to somehow test it locally. So a pipeline broke, no biggie I think.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by weatherlite »

nevi-me wrote: post #109
kodah wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake or not, people are incorporating ChatGPT into their work. We had a pipeline break today and when we looked at the PR that introduced the change it was in the PR notes that the tooling configuration was derived from a ChatGPT prompt. What do you even say or do about that?

I've been embarrassed by a Copilot code snippet that I proofread to seem correct, but was incorrect due to some subtle comparison logic. I can only imagine the risks in professions that aren't dealing with logic that has a very finite list of options or where the answers AI produce require researched effort to validate. It's probably worse in law if you're given a case reference as you're professionally supposed to r…

Some software mistakes can cost millions ... not saying it happens all the time but it can happen. We SHOULD try to be as accurate and bug free as we can in this business its no joke. Yeah, sometimes its just an html div that looks funny (that can also cost the company depending on how embarrassing it looked and how much traffic was impacted). But sometimes its backend logic that screws up important data or who knows what with very real reputation or financial consequences to the business.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by vidarh »

firebirdn99 wrote: post #101
heliodor wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The concept is right on point though: ChatGPT is excellent at writing "fluffy" pieces full of empathy, compassion, PR talk, politician speech, and any other wordy flavor you need. As an engineer who is unable to produce such writing, this tool is quite helpful!

Many comments are saying it's helpful. But what happens when it's widespread, everyone crafting Hallmark type empathic messages to everyone. Or once everyone has bots, then most likely they will all be sent straight to spam or something. We will be inundated with such messaging.

Then if you don't want your messages to read like that, you'll use bots to condense and extract the bits you care about.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by hammyhavoc »

fastball wrote: post #105
firebirdn99 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many comments are saying it's helpful. But what happens when it's widespread, everyone crafting Hallmark type empathic messages to everyone. Or once everyone has bots, then most likely they will all be sent straight to spam or something. We will be inundated with such messaging.

And? What is wrong with being inundated with empathy?

It isn't necessarily sincere.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by hammyhavoc »

weatherlite wrote: post #131
kodah wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake or not, people are incorporating ChatGPT into their work. We had a pipeline break today and when we looked at the PR that introduced the change it was in the PR notes that the tooling configuration was derived from a ChatGPT prompt. What do you even say or do about that?

> What do you even say or do about that? Nothing, you fix it. Since its a pipeline it was probably non trivial to somehow test it locally. So a pipeline broke, no biggie I think.

Is fixing it not doing something about it?

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by lynx23 »

heliodor wrote: post #67
firebirdn99 wrote: post #44

This really feels farcical, and kind of like vc bros hyping up a product. Considering this was a serious issue of life and death of a patient, it was surprising how it read like a prank or like the scene from Harold and Kumar, where Kumar plays a fake doctor and saves an ER patient through sheer luck. I know some doctors are full of baloney but c'mon. I really hope maybe that we create better doctors that have a lot…

The concept is right on point though: ChatGPT is excellent at writing "fluffy" pieces full of empathy, compassion, PR talk, politician speech, and any other wordy flavor you need. As an engineer who is unable to produce such writing, this tool is quite helpful!

PR talk and political speech, I agree. I wouldn't call this fabricated shit "empathy" or "compassion", for both, you need a little more then a LLM fine-tuned by SV lefties. In fact, whenever ChatGPT tried to be empathic, it feels very pathetic.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by basisword »

heliodor wrote: post #67
firebirdn99 wrote: post #44

This really feels farcical, and kind of like vc bros hyping up a product. Considering this was a serious issue of life and death of a patient, it was surprising how it read like a prank or like the scene from Harold and Kumar, where Kumar plays a fake doctor and saves an ER patient through sheer luck. I know some doctors are full of baloney but c'mon. I really hope maybe that we create better doctors that have a lot…

The concept is right on point though: ChatGPT is excellent at writing "fluffy" pieces full of empathy, compassion, PR talk, politician speech, and any other wordy flavor you need. As an engineer who is unable to produce such writing, this tool is quite helpful!

Helpful until someone reading your “writing” realises it’s AI and that you’re a robot who needs AI to write something with empathy or compassion. I’d much rather hear someone’s really voice in their writing than something false. It reminds me of people in certain places who are fake nice and fake positive 100% of the time. It’s draining to be around them.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by ThinkBeat »

Dalewyn wrote: post #53
firebirdn99 wrote: post #44

This really feels farcical, and kind of like vc bros hyping up a product. Considering this was a serious issue of life and death of a patient, it was surprising how it read like a prank or like the scene from Harold and Kumar, where Kumar plays a fake doctor and saves an ER patient through sheer luck. I know some doctors are full of baloney but c'mon. I really hope maybe that we create better doctors that have a lot…

Putting aside the question of if the linked is fake, I don't necessarily fault medical workers for handling their work dryly. Those doctors and nurses and technicians have to deal with all manners of disgust, biohazards, sadness, and most significantly death each and every single day. I cannot in good faith demand them to treat everyone with empathy, that might as well be psychological torture for the medical workers…

ER nurses doing triage are some tough mother*ers. You walk in, bleeding and pretty sure you will die soon, The nurse takes one look at you and is not at all impressed.

"Yeah, take a number, and keep pressure on the wound while you wait" or "We are really busy right now. You will have to wait for many hours. You dont really need a doctor. Just do ... ... ... and it will be fine. "

One thing I have learned in life is that if you are at the ER and you have to wait a long time. You are lucky.

It is when you are rushed into the back right away you know that Whatever has happened, it is severe, and you should be scared.

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by ChaitanyaSai »

Human doctors using AI to sound more humane was not something I'd have guessed. Not just a one-off case https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/health/doctors-chatgpt-ar...

And it is fun getting chatgpt to inject compassion into unexpected scenarios. https://chat.openai.com/share/83a5b1f2-9b5a-4ebd-947c-b68fd2...

Re: I’m an ER doctor. Here’s how I’m already using ChatGPT to help treat patients

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Post by epcoa »

bagels wrote: post #35
peter_l_downs wrote: post #31

This is the most “that didn’t happen” story I’ve seen in a while. No way the concerned family responded positively to the doctor reading a script to them off a clipboard, forgot about it, and then responded positively to other nurses/doctors reading the same script to them again.

My wife works in cardiac and sees similarly confused patients and elderly family members. Have you tried to have conversations with people experiencing dementia?

Yes, many times. Certainly don't do it by reading off a preprinted script.
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