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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by carlmr »

plagiarist wrote: post #504
sterlind wrote: post #377

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I don't like being lied or condescended to, just because most people can't handle the information. Also, it often backfires. Like, in early 2020, when the CDC said masks were unnecessary, then that N95s were unnecessary, it was glaringly obvious that this was propaganda to keep the public from panic-buying PPE and causing shortages. Some people believed them, took inadequate protections, got sick or died. It led to i…

How can that be the reason "trust the science" is ridiculed when the people scoffing also refused to wear any sort of mask?

It's ridiculed because trust was immediately violated, and trust is not what science is built on. However just being an everything skeptic without any scientific education is not good either.

The problem was the politicization, the dishonesty, the corruption.

Both camps were wrong plenty of times, none would admit to it, and public discourse suffered because neither side was willing to cede ground to actual science.

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Post by lmm »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #452
the_arcadian wrote: post #405

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They say it is always easier to con intelligent people, because they don't think they are capable of being fooled.

This is fun to think about but I dont buy it. All levels of aptitude/intelligence are equally likely to be conned because a con works by getting your emotions to turn your intelligence to the task of tricking you. For example, by exciting your greed so much you come up with a justification for why an unusual circumstance is genuine.

> For example, by exciting your greed so much you come up with a justification for why an unusual circumstance is genuine.

But you might be better at that the more intelligent you are. E.g. I understand there's an established result that professional ethicists and ethics researchers act less ethically than the average person on average, because they find it easier to come up with excuses for how what they wanted to do was actually ethical.

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Post by swores »

rnk wrote: post #387
CrazyPyroLinux wrote: post #381

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What makes him crazy? Disagreeing with the New York Times or something?

It's because he makes constant clearly incorrect scientific claims, says conspiratorial things about vaccines that are obviously wrong. We haven't hidden the deaths of millions of people who got the COVID vaccine. We just haven't. And for all the billions of people who got the vaccine, I'm sure there were a handful of people that had serious reactions. But contrast that with the millions of people who literally died…

And he's been doing it since before Covid, and still spouts the lies about links (which don't actually exist) between vaccinations and increased rates of diagnosed autism.

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Post by paulwilsondev »

geuis wrote: post #225

I don't trust this article at all . > Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus. > It is unclear who in the U.S. government had access to the intelligence about the sick WIV workers, how long they had it, and why it was not shared with the pub…

I also didn't trust the vaccines.

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Post by paulwilsondev »

fsckboy wrote: post #415
rnk wrote: post #344

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I don't think that we would have done anything differently if we knew that China was responsible. It wouldn't have changed our treatments or vaccination strategies or anything. Could it have made some people who are crazy against China feel differently? Maybe. I don't think it would have made the doofuses who took ivermectin act differently though.

> I don't think it would have made the doofuses who took ivermectin act differently though from NIH https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925/ "Ivermectin: an award-winning drug with expected antiviral activity against COVID-19... with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)" Whether or not ivermectin ul…

worked for me. knocked the sucker out in under 3 hours. was clear for travel to japan within 48 hours.

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Post by lmm »

shmoe wrote: post #579
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #502

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By us, I mean the govt. The ivermectin stuff is irrelevant. We also had doofuses claim masks won’t help and they flip flopped. They aren’t relevant either in a response for future containment and policy. The doofuses directly and indirectly funded WIV and if shown that was harmful can act to stop that. https://www.bbc.com/news/57932699.amp Truth is always better even if no action is taken.

I mean, to be fair -- they said we needed to conserve all the masks we had for medical staff because they had no idea what was coming.

Some of them said that. Many of them explicitly told the public that masks wouldn't help. However impeccable your motives for doing so, lying to the public should destroy your credibility.

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Post by bavell »

infamouscow wrote: post #571
bonadrag wrote: post #519

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> I just don't buy the international conspiracy to block ivermectin. I agree, there is no conspiracy. It is just that when scientists, journalists and public servants are usually on the same side of the political spectrum, there is no need to central coordination (conspiracy). Society seems more polarized than recent times which leads to greater uniformity of ideas on each side. Regarding Ivermectin, though the evide…

> It is just that when scientists, journalists and public servants are usually on the same side of the political spectrum, there is no need to central coordination (conspiracy). The last time this happened we created the Nuremberg Code.

I'll never forget how inhumanely some people were treated and how little some truly care for bodily autonomy. The coercion and gaslighting from all directions has been nauseating. The trust I lost in so many institutions wont be replaced anytime soon, perhaps ever.

What would a modern day Nuremberg trial look like?

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Post by jiggywiggy »

gcanyon wrote: post #496
Reason077 wrote: post #286

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Given the location, the timing, the symptoms, the severity of the illness (it's unusual for 'flu to put healthy young adults in hospital) I think we can be pretty confident in our guess.

The non-lab-leak coincidence required: 1. They made a mistake in the lab, exposing themselves to a virus (not covid-19) 2. That virus was non-human-transmissible 3. The exposure happened 1-several weeks before the actual start of covid-19 at the market That's not impossible, especially if the lab was sloppy and (1) happened fairly regularly. Given the early concentration of cases around the market, and the detection…

You still live in 2019
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