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Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by boston_clone »

spookthesunset wrote: post #855
boston_clone wrote: post #840

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> the response should absolutely not be solely in the hands of nothing but "medical experts" This wasn't the case, and to say so is a blatant misrepresentation of the past. Did Fauci issue a travel ban, enact the Defense Production Act, or redirect the supply of medical equipment? Did the CDC somehow supersede congressional authority and directly fund research via the CARES Act? Were appellate courts no longer hearin…

> The tradeoff for doing less was more people dying. That is quite simply not true at all.

Ok, well, that’s just like, your opinion, man. The medical community and majority of the developed world disagrees with you.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by Xen9 »

Xen9 wrote: post #116

I personally believe in Rootlclaim's Bayesian analysis ( https://www.rootclaim.com/analysis/What-is-the-source-of-COV... ) which states that "the virus was developed during gain-of-function research and was released by accident (89% probability)" This is consistent with David Martin's speech in Europe: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1661698114917646336 I haven't checked the "publicly available references" but m…

2023-06-15-01-22

Also consistent with:

https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid...

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by shwaj »

lamontcg wrote: post #967
shwaj wrote: post #900

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I’m reading this as sarcasm, am I wrong? If so, it is such a bad faith response. It is well reported that China was highly uncooperative in providing records about the research that was occurring at WIV.

No its quite serious. China covered up the existence of susceptible animals at the market. If you want to take the actions of a cover up as being proof, then you have to look at that cover up as well. What people do instead, though, is pick and choose -- the actions surrounding the lab are evidence China is hiding a lab leak, while the actions surrounding the market are not evidence China is trying to hide a zoonotic…

Do you have a link showing that China suppressed evidence of the presence of raccoon dogs? I just looked and couldn’t find, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

It’s a fair point that if suppression of evidence is to be considered an indication of guilt, it has to work both ways.

Edit: typo

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by sixQuarks »

randomperson01 wrote: post #925
sixQuarks wrote: post #721

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In the beginning of the pandemic, I fell for Fauci's lies. I saw him as a pillar of truth and science against the backdrop of Trump's idiocracy. So, I can empathize with those who still think he's a good person, they have not been exposed to all the evidence of how he orchestrated lies and smears to cover up the lab leak theory, and how he funded the gain of function research that likely lead to the pandemic (even th…

Emily Kopp has a well researched article on the coverup of lab leak discussion by Fauci and instigation by him to publish the Proximal Origin paper. https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/timeline-the-proximal-ori...

It’s ridiculous that your comment has been downvoted. This is a great article. Those who defend Fauci and the establishment narrative do so with a religious fervor. No amount of reasoning or logic seems to get through to them.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by Pigalowda »

Gasp0de wrote: post #617
Pigalowda wrote: post #202

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Right? As if any handling or safety gear and equipment is 100% perfect. Never any needle stick or glove failures. Respirators and protective clothing always 100% perfect. Everyone perfectly followed all lab safety precautions with no absent minded failures. Just perfect all the time forever. I’ve always thought it was a handling contamination that got into community spread. It’s a very parsimonious explanation.

Did you read the article? They patented a device to cut off blood flow to limbs in case of accidental injury with a needle.

I didn’t see that part, only skimmed as it’s pretty long.

A tourniquet won’t do anything for a needle stick injury. That’s pretty silly. A virus landing in a capillary bed takes 1 minute to reach the heart.

If the tourniquet somehow did stop fast enough, what will they do? Debride the entire area? Sounds like total bullsh.

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Post by kiltedpanda »

throwaway485 wrote: post #903
kiltedpanda wrote: post #498

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You might want to look into what disinformation you were personally subjected to that brought you to your own perspective. People who aired their own personal vaccine adverse event experiences were maligned, shamed and cancelled. What makes you think you have the correct information on vaccine adverse events? I personally know 3 people who have had life altering negative effects due to the vaccine, including myself.…

What I'm saying is no one has the truth here. Also, the team lead I worked with for 3 months was 1 of the 100,000 or so that saw adverse effects. Last day of our deployment in LA county, he received the vaccine in preparation to go home. He was in the hospital for 2 weeks because fluid started to pool in the sac that contains your heart. He nearly died before they could get that under control. He went home for a mont…

I'm not sure where you got the 1 in 100,000 from. As I mentioned in the previous post, an Israeli Ministry of Health survey of 2000 people found that 4% of men and 7% of females experienced chest pain after a booster shot.

Additionally a Pfizer report dated Aug 2022 showed the company observed 1.6 million adverse events covering nearly every organ system:

•73,542 vascular disorders •696,508 nervous system disorders •61,518 eye disorders •47,000 ear disorders •225,000 skin and tissue disorders •178,000 reproductive disorders •190,000 respiratory disorders •77,000 psychiatric disorders •127,000 cardiac disorders •100,000 blood disorders •3,711 tumors

This company has been fined billions for their shady practices. Not sure why anyone would trust their data. Plenty of information available about how dodgy their initial trials were conducted and reported for anyone who cares to look.

Huge incentives to hospitals for reporting any deaths as covid (around $30k per person if I remember correctly), and huge disincentives to report adverse events (threat of revoking medical license, difficult reporting procedure, biased doctors etc). As a result, the stats are skewed extremely in favor of vaccination.

Add into the mix lockdowns causing huge collateral damage. While you pat yourself on the back for protecting your family, it is entirely plausible that the vaccination campaign along with the lockdowns caused more deaths than they actually saved. Reports from John's Hopkins and the Fraser Institute found this to be true.

Good intentions are well and good, and I'm glad that you're proud of your achievements. Next time I hope there's more humility amongst proponents of mRNA vaccines and lockdowns, and that they consider the possibility that they could be wrong, and their actions may actually cause more damage than if they did nothing at all. Humility was missing.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

whimsicalism wrote: post #436
Xen9 wrote: post #116

I personally believe in Rootlclaim's Bayesian analysis ( https://www.rootclaim.com/analysis/What-is-the-source-of-COV... ) which states that "the virus was developed during gain-of-function research and was released by accident (89% probability)" This is consistent with David Martin's speech in Europe: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1661698114917646336 I haven't checked the "publicly available references" but m…

This sort of thing is only going to give more ammunition to people saying STEM students must take ethics/reasoning/philosophy courses :)

Is that supposed to sound like a bad idea?

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Post by P_I_Staker »

boston_clone wrote: post #959
P_I_Staker wrote: post #922

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I have downvoted your comment

Seems like you may be unfamiliar with the guidelines here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Oh, some thing have too much time, with comment bulk, I must move on. However, how would OP know that I downvote? I tell him. This is allowed.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Post by pyuser583 »

Natsu wrote: post #311
plagiarist wrote: post #272

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If the people making that claim had been sane, instead of pushing it in the middle of; "it's not deadly, just a flu," "masks do nothing," "maybe a bit of bleach is fine in the lungs," "hydroxychloroquine cures everything," "no, wait, it is horse paste that cures everything," "the vaccine will kill you in X months, guaranteed," and "GREAT RESET," it'd be easier to transition into a serious discussion about studying de…

The middle ground always gets pushed to the extremes when there's a strong push to alienate some views. Covid was worse than the flu, but the flu is also deadly and we should be paying more attention to vaccinating it. The deaths aren't evenly distributed, either, young healthy people have less to worry about, but "less" isn't "nothing." For masks, you really wanted N95 masks, not cloth, and you still have to avoid l…

I thought that Ivermectin was proven to be helpful in places where parasitic infestations are extremely common (most of the world).

The problem being that treating someone with steroids also strengthens parasites, which burdens the immune system even more.

So in parts of the world where parasites are common, it makes sense to treat with an anti-parasite drug from the beginning (no need to test for actual parasites).

In parts of the world without widespread parasite infections (for example, the US), the costs outweigh the benefits.

This caused lots of confusion because there were quite a few papers promoting Ivermectin as part of treatment. The fine print said “in developing countries” but nobody reads the fine print.

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Post by gordian-mind »

panarchy wrote: post #609
gordian-mind wrote: post #591

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Could you please elaborate on what atrocities were caused by conspiracy theories?

https://www.stuyalumni.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Anti-A... "In the first four months of the pandemic, there were 145 reports to the NYC Commission on Human Rights of coronavirus-related Anti-Asian hate incidents. That’s 12x the year before." "⅓ of Americans report they have witnessed blame on Asians for the outbreak"

I'm sorry, is saying that Covid originated from China a conspiracy theory? Or do you maybe believe that this was caused by Trump calling it 'China flu' a few times? Now, that's a conspiracy theory.
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