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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by worrycue »

zirgs wrote: post #461
worrycue wrote: post #446

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> It'even easier to do that in the fediverse and it isn't against any rules. So there will be problems with interoperability, because of this. Can’t you just create another account on a “compatible” server?

Yes, and you can also create an alt account to post in subreddits that banned you. If I have to create a separate account for each server anyway then what's the point of the fediverse?

> If I have to create a separate account for each server anyway then what's the point of the fediverse?

You don't have to. Only when the servers you want to post to ban the server you registered on.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mjburgess »

xnx wrote: post #469
mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

Largely agree, but I don't understand the connection to interest rates.

Suppose you're reddit. You're now required to profit. Money now ain't free. What do you do?

Exactly what all those volunteer labourers do not want you to do. What now? They're the cash cow.

The disalignment of interests between Corp and (free) Labour was not an issue whilst Corp could burn cash.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by cvwright »

BizarroLand wrote: post #514
cvwright wrote: post #489

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Unfortunately, if you don’t want your data “monetized” through creepy tracking and annoying ads, and you’re also completely unwilling to pay, then you’re going to have a bad time. Storage, compute, and bandwidth all cost money, and it has to come from somewhere.

You're wrong. Things can be publicly funded. They can be sponsored. Wikipedia does no creepy tracking and the only annoying ad is when Jimmy Wales is begging for money (even though they have the funds to run the company for 10 years without receiving another penny right now). Your mindset of "everything costs money and so everyone is the internet's paypig" is broken and exemplifies the problem with the modern interne…

> Also, if you occupy a niche and run it well, you can make internet money the old fashioned way, by finding products that your niche users specifically want and organically selling to them without ad spamming them to death.

Yes, that's usually how it starts. It ends with invisible tracking pixels and flashing X10 ads everywhere. That or stealth ads disguised as content.

This isn't some hypothetical. We have 30 years of history now to tell us exactly how this plays out.

> Just like forums used to do.

That era was great while it lasted. But since the "adpocalypse", it's very very difficult for sites to make money without targeted ads and the requisite tracking. We lost a lot of high-quality sites like Dr Dobbs Journal in the adpocalypse, and all we have to replace them are SEO content farms and blogspam.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by r2vcap »

It is unbelievable that so many people's exchanges of opinions accumulated over the years have been blown away by a single strike like this. It is true that there is a problem with Reddit's operating policy. But it is run by a private company. Actions to monetize sometimes happen. It's not the attitude of a responsible modder to just blow up a subreddit that has thousands, maybe millions of users. Now that the 48-hour strike is over, we're making it a public reddit, at least for users to decide which platform to migrate to or to keep the status quo. And, in my opinion, no matter which platform you choose, a dependency on the platform operating company is unavoidable.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by [deleted] »

paulmd wrote: post #508
austhrow743 wrote: post #450

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As one of those users who doesn't get it, the it I don't get isn't that Reddit would rather be TikTok or that people who are just looking to mindlessly scroll generic content are easier to monetise, it's what Reddit's value proposition is as a TikTok alternative. As you say it's not hard to generate reasonably compelling content. There's no shortage of cat picture or funny gif sources. So it's not that. TikTok suppos…

because of increasing pressure to ban tiktok and pull it from app stores/etc to keep China from building profiles/models targeting westerners en-masse. https://www.nytimes.com/article/tiktok-ban.html Everyone wants to be set up to be the American Tiktok when the plug gets pulled on the chinese one. And the plug is already being pulled by a number of countries and states and organizations. It's an interesting one thou…

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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by spartanatreyu »

deafpolygon wrote: post #182
spartanatreyu wrote: post #68

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> definitely more of a mod revolt than a user revolt As a user I completely disagree. As a user, I want to use a UI that works for me. I don't want to use a mobile website that prevents me from reading comments and forces me to use an app. As a user, I want a service that releases quality of life fixes, not a service that says the fixes are coming for years but instead decides to release half-baked features every 6 m…

You'll be back.

HN, lobste.rs, and kbin are serving me just fine.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by redsaber »

yanderekko wrote: post #506
redsaber wrote: post #501

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our community in reddit before was like more or less 10k and we managed to migrate to self hosted website by the admin.

And you actually destroyed the community on Reddit in the process?

wait, I'm not the mod of our community but the community on Reddit was already private.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by brigandish »

fsflover wrote: post #479
brigandish wrote: post #282

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> The average person enjoys the convenience of consolidation under one corporate overlord. I think the average person likes 1) only logging in once (even using an FB or Google login more than once, sign up etc, is too much friction) 2) a consistent interface 3) while being able to jump to another "forum" easily, which internal links obviously do. Solve those 3 things for decentralised forums (or whatever, seeing that…

Isn't this how Mastodon works?

The confusing sign up seems to be a huge friction there.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by austhrow743 »

paulmd wrote: post #508
austhrow743 wrote: post #450

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As one of those users who doesn't get it, the it I don't get isn't that Reddit would rather be TikTok or that people who are just looking to mindlessly scroll generic content are easier to monetise, it's what Reddit's value proposition is as a TikTok alternative. As you say it's not hard to generate reasonably compelling content. There's no shortage of cat picture or funny gif sources. So it's not that. TikTok suppos…

because of increasing pressure to ban tiktok and pull it from app stores/etc to keep China from building profiles/models targeting westerners en-masse. https://www.nytimes.com/article/tiktok-ban.html Everyone wants to be set up to be the American Tiktok when the plug gets pulled on the chinese one. And the plug is already being pulled by a number of countries and states and organizations. It's an interesting one thou…

That's the information I was missing, thanks! I had heard some complaints about TikTok a while ago but wasn't aware that things had progressed to the point where it's going to get banned.

I could definitely see a slim chance of being new TikTok having higher expected value than continuing on as old Reddit if TikTok is removed from the picture.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by jrochkind1 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #434
mnsc wrote: post #418

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You're right and sorry, It was just a online way of me enthusiastically pointing at a thing and trying to say: This is value, just a snippet of text on a pale yellow background, where no-one were actively trying to create this value. I can't really put my finger on what I'm trying to say though so i guess that is the root the confusion. :D Like, I don't get paid for this content so it doesn't have to make sense. edit…

Please don’t apologize, your approach is pretty normal - I probably send a dozen screenshots around per day and it’s always easiest to just show people what I’m referring to directly with an image.

Hacker News has pretty easily accessible URLs for every comment.

Just click on the timestamp next to the comment, like "12 hours ago".

Sending the actual HN url to a comment or thread, instead of a screenshot:

* Is accessible to people with limited vision who can't or can't as easily read a screeshot. Many people even without vision impairment find text much easier to consume than a photo of text. For instance, text in reasonable CSS will flow to fit your screensize, where a screenshot will not.

* For those interested, easily provides the context of where the comment/thread appeared and what's around it, hard to trace back from a screenshot to HN

* For the future archival purposes, is often more likely to still be good than a link to a third-party image hosting site

* In the rare case where it matters, is "self-authenticating", it points to HN itself, while an image can be modified or faked, although certainly in most cases there is no motivation for someone to do so, still it's nice to have it built in.

When it's an HN comment, or anything else with a URL, I think it should be nearly as easy to show people what you're refering to with a URL to it, as it is with a screenshot?

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