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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mx20 »

mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

Before that happens they will try to lobby governments to "repair" their monopolies. EU is already trying hard to put major road blocks on open source AI, which is probably the biggest threat to most tech mega corps.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by rchaud »

paganel wrote: post #85
jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

> It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one You don't negotiate with blackmailers, because this is what this is now, blackmail. If things continue like this I give it 5 to 7 days until reddit the company forcefully removes these mods.

Maybe in movies you don't. In reality, prisoner swaps and ransom payments happen every single day.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by falcolas »

xwdv wrote: post #463
AxeVice wrote: post #331

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Charging for the API wouldn't be a problem if it was either cheap and short term notice, or expensive and long term notice. The biggest problem is that it is both extremely short term notice (a month) and expensive as hell. You don't do this in good faith if the goal is to provide a sustainable business; you do it if you want to kill the API, but have a fallback "despite our best efforts" angle to work in PR pieces.…

App developers could have simply raised their subscription prices. Instead they chose to kill off their apps. Will never understand it.

Not all apps have subscriptions. Narwhal for example.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by danaris »

mjburgess wrote: post #251
dagw wrote: post #207

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On the one hand I feel exactly like you do, on the other hand I observe that my teenage daughter is making real friends on discord and game servers, just like I did on usenet and forums. So maybe it's you/me getting older rather than (just) the internet changing. Oh the good old days :( As do I, but I suspect much of what I miss is simply just being young and free and all that comes with that.

The trajectory of discord might be: under-charge and bring in users to supply content; increase charge when users now depend on that content; fail & monetize their data and their attention; succeed & implode because users dont want their attention/data monetized. This would be less of an issue if users had clear legal rights (perhaps IP rights) to their own data. I'd have fewer problems with "commercial platforms" if…

That's true—but it doesn't mean that the friends, conversations, and communities people are making on Discord now are any less real.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

dale_glass wrote: post #459
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #380

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It really depends what's in the terms the user agreed to.

You can look it up, you retain copyright. And while Reddit does have you agree to giving permission to almost anything, they'd be nuts to take that too far. If eg, Stephen King goofed and pasted his upcoming book into a comment mid-AMA, I don't think Reddit would fare well in court if they tried to argue the TOS gave them the right to do turn that into a book.

You don't retain copyright if you explicitly assign it to someone else, otherwise contracts for doing exactly that would be useless.

Besides, someone can retain copyright and still have granted an irrevocable license to use the content.

Agree about reddit taking things too far, but that's a matter for the courts.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by baud147258 »

meetingthrower wrote: post #473
bibabaloo wrote: post #357

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What sort of hobbies are you talking about specifically? Not to doubt you, but I must have very different hobbies because I've never experienced something like this

Have you ever used an old school forum? Threaded posts, which can be pinned. So much easier to navigate than the stream of discord comments. I admit, I am 50 now so maybe I'm just old and don't understand discord...

you can sorta do that with discord, with either pinned messages in threads or just a thread that contains the intro posts and that's closed for further comments, so you can easily find what you look for

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by josefx »

Extasia785 wrote: post #75
garfieldandthe wrote: post #29

Honest question since I don't really know how reddit works: Why can't reddit just forcefully re-open the subs that have been taken private? Mods are using powers given to them by the platform and I don't get why they are not being stripped of (some of) those powers.

They could re-open it. But the last time we had a popular unmoderated subreddit, it became a mixture of porn, onlyfan models and Donald Trump / Jeffrey Epstein posts. Good OOTL if you want to give Reddit a click in these times: https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/gfo102/what_i... In the end Reddit and Mods are co-dependent on each other. Mods use the platform provided by Reddit, but Reddit uses the volunta…

Finally an answer to the question why /r/anime_titties exists as one of those weird topic seems completely unrelated to the name subs.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by randomdata »

jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

> he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes

There are only so many days until bankruptcy. Investors are done funnelling in more and more to keep the lights on. While that would be reasonable under normal circumstances, in this panic situation there won't be a Reddit left by the time third-party developers are given reasonable time.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by cvwright »

mjburgess wrote: post #395
mnsc wrote: post #322

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This is value: https://i.imgur.com/QGEwbPI.png I don't think I will read anything else this insightful today. Would I pay for this thread? Absolutely. Would I pay $19.99/month for HNPREMIUM where I could read "the full thread" of top content providers like mjburgess? Nope.

Well I can comment with authority on my motivations. I can expand your point further than you made it. I am posting here because its free for you. I'm posting here to participate in an open forum, I am donating my time to the people here, in conversation -- not to HackerNews itself. Which has my loyalty only insofar as it is the "public space I want to visit". So if you were to have paid anything for that thread, I w…

Unfortunately, if you don’t want your data “monetized” through creepy tracking and annoying ads, and you’re also completely unwilling to pay, then you’re going to have a bad time.

Storage, compute, and bandwidth all cost money, and it has to come from somewhere.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by havilland »

Kiro wrote: post #393
mjburgess wrote: post #266

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Every time you type you create value for the platform. Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park. At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort. This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. W…

How is it creating value for the platform? I'm in about 30 Discord servers but they are all private with a small group of friends either playing a common game or connected through something else. I don't think any of them have moderators and I don't even know who the creator/admin is in most. As I see it we're just leeching off Discord's infrastructure, in contrast to reddit (or HN) where each comment/post adds somet…

You are creating data that can be sold to other companies. Additionally everything you write or do can nowadays be used to train an AI model.
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