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>> If they charged like $2/month/user for 3d party API access they'd be profitable But then the leadership would only be wealthy and not famous. It feels like the focus on ad sales by so many platforms is due to their executives' personal preference in having broad ranging social influence (by playing gateway to the masses) instead of a predictable revenue stream.
This is interesting, but can you further explain how yoy get broad ranging social influence from focusing on ads? I don't quite get that.
I don't think it is the ads but the algorithmic feed that they manipulate for political ends, rather than making money. TikTok got big by making an algorithmic feed that did not push BS to its users I think.
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What's the free labour on Discord?
Every time you type you create value for the platform. Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park. At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort. This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. W…
How is it creating value for the platform? I'm in about 30 Discord servers but they are all private with a small group of friends either playing a common game or connected through something else. I don't think any of them have moderators and I don't even know who the creator/admin is in most.
As I see it we're just leeching off Discord's infrastructure, in contrast to reddit (or HN) where each comment/post adds something to the platform in large.
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I know what you mean. Although Discord is, in my opinion, WAY better than IRC, I do miss the interactions and friends I made there. I miss forums as well, which is kind of funny because they still exist - not sure why I don't use them more?
Discord is more featureful than IRC, and prettier than IRC clients, but there are no local archives or logging, and its searching capabilities are atrocious in comparison to having local logs searchable with ordinary text-processing tools. Not that it matters to most users, because they wouldn't know how to use such tools to begin with, and don't know what they're missing. Discord is an information black hole, and I…
Discord also has a godawful client that you can't (without breaking the EULA) substitute for another. And even then, the options are pretty limited.
Matrix seems to bring along the features of Discord with the freedom of IRC. But, as usual when freedom is concerned, it does come with a fair amount of responsibility, particularly in the form of setting up and running the server.
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Every time you type you create value for the platform. Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park. At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort. This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. W…
This is value: https://i.imgur.com/QGEwbPI.png I don't think I will read anything else this insightful today. Would I pay for this thread? Absolutely. Would I pay $19.99/month for HNPREMIUM where I could read "the full thread" of top content providers like mjburgess? Nope.
Well I can comment with authority on my motivations. I can expand your point further than you made it.
I am posting here because its free for you. I'm posting here to participate in an open forum, I am donating my time to the people here, in conversation -- not to HackerNews itself. Which has my loyalty only insofar as it is the "public space I want to visit".
So if you were to have paid anything for that thread, I wouldnt have started it.
And likewise I have never posted to any internet forum behind a paywall and I find the idea practically and morally suspicious. All the places worth going to are run by those with a passion for them -- it is that passion which they want to share.
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I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(
I have been thinking about this too over the last couple of days. What would it take to replace Reddit? In my opinion, the UI of social media has been deliberately designed to be a dopamine waterfall that discourages people to think or invest themselves in any one community. If you analyzed the top 1000 links on Reddit r/all at any given time, without checking it myself, I think you'd find that 950 of those links are…
I am really interested in this topic: hosting and managing forums. I don't want this technology and the kind of interaction between users to totally die so I want to learn to be semi-competent in it. Doing archaeology through old forums it's like treasure hunting, you find awesome posts and comments.
Anyone knows any forum about Forums? Or, better, about it's technical aspects? Or any blog, book, about forums? I would really appreciate any reference. I ask here because is the only community where I had found high quality blogs and off grid communities.
This summer I'll try to build and maintain one because I know a small community of max 2000 people who I know will be engaged in a positive and constructive interaction. I don't want to monetize anything, I think it would be very valuable for people. Maybe I am overconfident but at least I have to try. I think building a restful API is a better approach to detach it from UI, and also include latex syntax on the front end.
Also, do you know any forum like HN but being a real forum, with that I mean, that threads don't have a finite life?
I hope this is not off topic.
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Discord is more featureful than IRC, and prettier than IRC clients, but there are no local archives or logging, and its searching capabilities are atrocious in comparison to having local logs searchable with ordinary text-processing tools. Not that it matters to most users, because they wouldn't know how to use such tools to begin with, and don't know what they're missing. Discord is an information black hole, and I…
Interesting. Personally, I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server. Also, sometimes the server would not let go of my disconnected nickname, so I would g…
There used to be a great android app called Irssi-Connectbot (which was a slightly modified Connectbot app, which was an SSH client. You could set it up for automatic running of commands upon connection (ie, "screen -d -r"), and it featured the ability to use gestures to do some basic things to avoid typing out commands, like swipe left or right to move between windows.
It does appear to be discontinued at this point, but I do believe I've seen other ssh clients that do support the swipe at this point. I must confess though my use of IRC on the phone has always been relatively limited -- chatting in general on a phone is tiresome. Even SMS I do more in a browser these days on my desktop.
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Wasn’t Twitter the most popular social media site on the planet and still losing money?
> Twitter the most popular social media site on the planet Twitter is not even in the top ten most popular social media networks. https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-net...
Honestly I thought I was only exaggerating a bit.. I thought it was top 3. Crazy how far off it is from the top half. Not to say that’s any excuse for them failing to turn a profit for so long but damn I thought they had more users they could shovel ads onto.
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1) Every social network sells ads Yes, but all other social networks are GOOD at it and make a fuck ton of money. That’s the issue. Reddit has had plenty of chances to turn profitable, but they can’t seem to figure it out. Now they’ve run down the checklist and apparently “kill 3rd party apps” is their newest brilliant idea to make money.
Wasn’t Twitter the most popular social media site on the planet and still losing money?
It had just started to become profitable right before Elon bought it. Granted that’s like 1 or 2 profitable quarters out of dozens, but still counts I guess