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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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It's purely a numbers game. If the amount of revenue you'll achieve from less users gives you a more positive multi year outlook financially then losing the users is "worth it", especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable. Unfortunately that includes people who take part in blackouts as they correlate highly with people who e.g. run adblockers, use third party apps, etc.

> [...] especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable Maybe, but my guess is they also produce the majority of the content that other users come to Reddit to consume. So it's a dangerous game.

There's going to be some inertia. You can recycle old content to mix with the "native advertising" spam that will fill the vacuum left by the people who used to "produce the majority of the content" - it's not a long-term solution, but if it keeps the user bleed in check until IPO, then the C-suite and the investors win; afterwards, the site can go to hell, it's not their problem anymore.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#193

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

I know what you mean. Although Discord is, in my opinion, WAY better than IRC, I do miss the interactions and friends I made there. I miss forums as well, which is kind of funny because they still exist - not sure why I don't use them more?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#194

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I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

That's the thing I'm looking forward to with the evolution of the "Fediverse" and other efforts toward federation/decentralization. The problem with traditional forums was that they were all little silos disconnected from one another; now those forums can talk to each other via ActivityPub or what have you, offering a nicer balance between "isolated but tight-knit community" v. "expansive but highly-impersonal masses…

I don't really think that "every community can interact with each other" is a pure benefit. This is exactly the sort of stuff that leads to "everything being about everything", along with general loud people occupying every space.

I still am very happy about "fediverse" stuff because it enables a simple-ish protocol and working mechanisms for various communities to interact. But I really think that, for example, mastodon.social is a net negative to fediverse stuff except for pure "get people to adopt" reasons.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#195

It's not the Redditors or the 3rd party app devs' fault that Reddit is perhaps the only "big" corp whose main app is so shi*y that people resort to other alternatives. They had a lot of time to facilitate the mods and admins of subs, but they continued to deliver builds that didn't solve users' problems. However, I feel for the people who have used the official apps for catching up to news, and they are missing out b…

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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#196
post #47

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If the CEO backs down then he’s weak. He needs to publish a hard hitting memo that chastises third party app developers for not creating more sustainable businesses. If Reddit cannot meet it’s revenue goals it will shut down, period.

Assuming you're serious, I'm curious why you think Reddit's CEO shouldn't be chastised under that same category. Selling ads next to user-generated content, rent seeking with demands of extortionate API fees to serve that content, relying on unpaid volunteers to operate the site, proudly shipping terrible first-party UX, all while providing zero additional value sure doesn’t sound like a sustainable business. But may…

1) Every social network sells ads

2) Building and maintaining an API is as rent seeking as building any kind of subscription service, I don’t see the issue.

3) Why would you pay a volunteer? They’re volunteering. In exchange they wield incredible power over the community, which is the real reason they volunteer.

4) The UX sucks, but there’s still old.reddit.com, so you have options.

5) What additional value can be provided? It’s a giant forum and people post comments, there’s not much more you need, that is the value.

Third party apps can just raise their fees and users will pay a couple more dollars. But it’s not about money, it’s about power. Reddit users are very entitled and care more about optics. They don’t want to surrender a fist full of dollars for a website they use everyday and probably are addicted to.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#197

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It's purely a numbers game. If the amount of revenue you'll achieve from less users gives you a more positive multi year outlook financially then losing the users is "worth it", especially if those users fall into cohorts that are less financially valuable. Unfortunately that includes people who take part in blackouts as they correlate highly with people who e.g. run adblockers, use third party apps, etc.

> less financially valuable Don’t think the moderators who moderate your forums everyday for free should be included in that category …

Agreed. The tools that moderators are losing definitely don't fit into the category I'm describing. Reddit failing to bring the tools up to par in the first party app is notably low hanging fruit and I'm equally confused as to why they wouldn't have pursued it.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#198
post #59
post #51

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What? You're personally not clicking on Reddit links and expect the world to not post Reddit links? Just don't click on them.

The parent is saying that the canonical source of the protest should probably not be on the platform being protested. I mean, thats just sensible, especially given u/spez has previously modified user comments on the site with the intent to deceive. Giving them clicks now is the inverse of what we are trying to do anyway.

Every click is several ad impressions. It’s not the page loads that hurt them, it’s the missing ad revenue.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#199

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I give it 5 to 7 days until reddit the company forcefully removes these mods The impact of this would be to make lots of subreddit unmoderated, leading to a huge amount of spam, adult content in sfw subreddit, cross-posting, etc. The impact would be to let everyone know just how much free work the mods do to keep Reddit tidy and valuable. I don't think you're wrong (except maybe on the timescale) but I do think the s…

I say that if they -DO- remove the moderators, we should go back and be human spambots.

we should go back and be human spambots

Judging by my HN history I don't think I ever stopped.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

#200

No offense to the commentators in this post but do y'all just lay down and take everything that comes at you without a hint of objection? Yeah I get that it's a silly website but it's one that some people have been on for 10+ years.

Yeah, I agree. What do you think we can do to remove these whiny mods and open up these subreddits to get reddit back to the site I enjoy. Are you suggesting that we organize against them in some way?

> to get reddit back to the site I enjoy

Those "whiny mods" are the reason you "enjoy" your reddit experience.

Are there some mods that abuse their power? Yes.

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