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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by stainablesteel »

muglug wrote: post #77

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in my experience, a pure reputation destruction post is generally non-credible, and you posted an establishment media interview on someone who supports twitter: of course they have a bone to pick.

for the sake of honest conversation, can you list what conspiracy theories you're referring to? because the last few conspiracy theories i can remember somehow all turned out to be true. so i'm really concerned with what is truthful here, i hope you can help.

edit: i'm even more genuinely interested now because i was initially rapidly downvoted, but all i'm seeing in that interview is the tv host interrupting matt every time he tries to answer a question, this is so weird to me.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by indigodaddy »

api wrote: post #95
mc32 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see... a grain of truth. Yes, in the very beginning is was allowed, but come May and June, it was verboten.

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Yes, the barrage of downvoting on this thread on both sides is mindnumbing. Upvoting wherever I can to balance out the insanity

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by [deleted] »

Apes wrote: post #122
CommitSyn wrote: post #99

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Is this similar to how the US used to mandate that civilian use of GPS was off by a certain amount?

A bit different. The GPS restriction was to prevent GPS on a device moving over 400 mph (I think that's roughly the speed?), and to limit accuracy to within a few meters rather than a few centimeters. The restrictions were intended to prevent the use of civilian GPS systems in precision missiles. Not a lot of civilian uses require anywhere near that speed or accuracy. It's a lot harder to justify grossly inaccurate g…

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by mike_hearn »

onethought wrote: post #60
hwillis wrote: post #16

Note that this is NOT the Wuhan CDC, which is the building across the river from the wet market. They did not do any research there. This building is ~10 miles south, well outside the main city. https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Wuhan_Ins... The fact that researchers were sick with flu-like symptoms has been openly stated by the US for a long time. This was put out in the state department Jan 2021, 2…

Which still doesn’t really draw the line of how an outbreak occurred at the wet market. Also common seasonal illness isn’t exactly a smoking gun

Supposedly there was a problem for a long time with researchers selling used lab animals on the street to make a bit of extra cash.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by [deleted] »

predictabl3 wrote: post #118
UberFly wrote: post #87

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You are correct. I guess people can't handle that. This is from the article, it tracks with your sentiment: Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that wor…

Are we actually claiming that "Virus leak from scary china" would've gotten people to wear masks more or isolate more, versus "Virus killing people keeps spreading?" Or am I missing the point?

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by throwaway5752 »

muglug wrote: post #77

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Michael Shellenberger has done the same - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Shellenberger has details, and see criticism of the Breakthrough Institute. Alex Gutentag seems to be a contributing editor to Compact, writing things like https://compactmag.com/article/how-mask-mandates-defaced-us. A brief review of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_(American_magazine) shows a lot of familiar names of people that push ideologically similar content like Greenwald, Tracey. https://theweek.com/media/1011628/the-new-journal-hoping-to-... reviews their backers. The glowing Berlusconi tribute is a clue, too https://compactmag.com/article/death-of-a-statesman

Not to say that this is wrong, but it is a biased source. Statements like, "This whole pandemic could have been reshaped" have no content. It misleading presents that the furin cleavage site had to come from gain of function. It doesn't address why the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market cluster exists at all. It is based on rehashing public information and anonymous sources. All signs point to misinformation.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by WoahNoun »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #94
jchw wrote: post #69

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I knew this would happen, so much so I'm pretty sure I even called it ahead of time. This happens so frequently that there ought to be a word for it. Yes, some conservative personalities early on had pushed some dumb conspiracies about COVID-19 being a bioweapon. No, that was not the crux of the argument that the many scientists, journalists and internet commenters had when they argued in favor of the lab leak hypoth…

> Yes, some conservative personalities early on had pushed some dumb conspiracies about COVID-19 being a bioweapon. No, that was not the crux of the argument that the many scientists, journalists and internet commenters had when they argued in favor of the lab leak hypothesis. It's totally insane. GP is literally rewriting history and getting upvoted for it. I post a link to a Congress bill (linked from TFA), from 20…

The bill called for the declassification of any information related to the theory. Not a bill affirming where it came from. If there is no classified information confirming the theory, there is no reason for Biden not to sign it.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by euix »

I am really interested in the social-political dimension of this. Was the initial hypothesis of a lab leak suppressed during the initial part of the pandemic primarily due to Western government's fear of a diplomatic breakdown (like Russia) with China? The economies are far more interdependent than compared to Russia and there is a far more economically important Chinese diaspora in the West.

What would it take to get a honest investigation within China? Presumably not under the current regime - if it were true, the magnitude of the disaster would be 100x what Chernobyl was for the Soviet Union, it wouldn't just be an accident at that point.

Would it totally legitimize the Chinese state in the eyes of its people and the world? And for that reason, could we ever expect a honest accounting? Too much blood (literal and metaphorical) has been spilled and with the lockdowns, vaccine mandates, passports, school closures, etc and everything else that has happened, most elite institutions, state actors, businesses, media, corporations have become complicit in some way in abuses, lies, deliberate obfuscation of one type or another.

It feels like a breakpoint in history to me.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by culopatin »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #135
culopatin wrote: post #74

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It’s silly to think that international relationships are that simple.

Are you implying that Dr. Fauci might have lied for political gain????

I’m implying that dr fauci doesn’t operate in a vacuum all by himself talking to the public.
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