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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by zirgs »

worrycue wrote: post #446
zirgs wrote: post #277

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On reddit you can get banned from a bunch of subs, just because you post in a sub that their mods don't like. It's apparently against the reddit's rules, but nobody seems to give a shit. It'even easier to do that in the fediverse and it isn't against any rules. So there will be problems with interoperability, because of this.

> It'even easier to do that in the fediverse and it isn't against any rules. So there will be problems with interoperability, because of this. Can’t you just create another account on a “compatible” server?

Yes, and you can also create an alt account to post in subreddits that banned you.

If I have to create a separate account for each server anyway then what's the point of the fediverse?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by samsquire »

mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

I feel one approach to a high quality internet, we can contact people we like the messages or posts of and invite them to contribute somewhere that is invite only to contribute.

That way we can curate high quality content.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by xwdv »

AxeVice wrote: post #331
xwdv wrote: post #196

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1) Every social network sells ads 2) Building and maintaining an API is as rent seeking as building any kind of subscription service, I don’t see the issue. 3) Why would you pay a volunteer? They’re volunteering. In exchange they wield incredible power over the community, which is the real reason they volunteer. 4) The UX sucks, but there’s still old.reddit.com, so you have options. 5) What additional value can be pr…

Charging for the API wouldn't be a problem if it was either cheap and short term notice, or expensive and long term notice. The biggest problem is that it is both extremely short term notice (a month) and expensive as hell. You don't do this in good faith if the goal is to provide a sustainable business; you do it if you want to kill the API, but have a fallback "despite our best efforts" angle to work in PR pieces.…

App developers could have simply raised their subscription prices. Instead they chose to kill off their apps. Will never understand it.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by pmoriarty »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #452
pmoriarty wrote: post #449

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If you have a captive audience you can advertise to them. That's what all of this is about, and many companies have made billions with this strategy. Whether the advertising is done by Geocities or MySpace or Facebook doesn't make any difference to the consumer, who's still the product these companies sell to their real customers: the advertisers. Discord can make plenty of money selling ads too, and I would not be a…

"Discord can make money selling ads too, and I would not be at all surprised to see ads in every Discord channel in the future, especially as (unlike Reddit) it doesn't have any third-party clients through which users can circumvent any ads Discord may want to show." This sounds really uncool, like something that would make a trendy new social media platform flush with investment attractive! That it's all about ads i…

The people who complain about ads are the kind that use ad blockers -- ie. a small minority of internet users.

Ordinary people don't complain about ads, don't know that ad blockers even exist, and don't seek out ad-free alternatives.

Ads to them are like water is to fish.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by evandale »

menus wrote: post #200
ahahahahah wrote: post #142

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Yeah, I agree. What do you think we can do to remove these whiny mods and open up these subreddits to get reddit back to the site I enjoy. Are you suggesting that we organize against them in some way?

> to get reddit back to the site I enjoy Those "whiny mods" are the reason you "enjoy" your reddit experience. Are there some mods that abuse their power? Yes.

The whiny mods are not moderators - they're curators, and they don't do thing to help me enjoy my Reddit experience. They make it worse by being biased and censoring opinions they personally don't like. They have an unreasonable amount of control over the narrative and diversity of the opinions expressed.

If they were actually moderating they wouldn't invent vague rules to ban whatever they want and the moderator action logs would be public.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by phpisthebest »

lelanthran wrote: post #364
dale_glass wrote: post #257

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They can do that of course, but if they do so, I'm leaving. Basically what I do on Reddit is to subscribe to the vision of a given group of mods. They're the ones I come to the site for, not Reddit the company. Eg, r/AskHistorians is good because it's run with an iron fist by the mods. When I come there I come seeking precisely that -- a well curated content archive that contains all wheat and zero chaff. If Reddit f…

> If Reddit forces them off, and they create www.askhistorians.com, then I'm making a account there. And that's fine, but you're talking as if everyone is like you, with only 1 subreddit that they browse. In reality (and reddit probably has the numbers to verify this), most people jump across maybe 10 or more different mods. They're not going to go create 10 different accounts elsewhere. I personally am not a big red…

>> Moderators (seriously, those people are a dime a dozen - in fact you can charge mods a fee and you still won't run out of mods wanting to sign up) are not the primary value in reddit.

THis is a falsehood that keeps being repeated so instead of posting for the 100th time proving this to be false, I challenge you to cite your sources where you prove this is true, because most of the subreddits complian all the time about not being able to find mods.

>> Posts are not the primary value in reddit.

Quality Posts are the value...... Question do mods add that value, that QA...

if a gardening subreddit was flooded with porn would it be valuable to the people to visit that subreddit?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by [deleted] »

abashore wrote: post #89
seydor wrote: post #83

Reddit's moderators are holding people hostage. This just shows how the small group of powerhungry mods acts. I hope reddit finds a solution that serves its users who provide the content.

A lot of those mods held polls in their communities and among their peers before going dark. I don't think the large subreddits are getting unilaterally shut down.

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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Kiro »

Timon3 wrote: post #332
seydor wrote: post #248

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voted for 2 days, right?

Initially yes, but multiple communities made new polls for the continued blackout.

Example?

Looking at the comments in this thread it doesn't feel like a democratic decision: https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/148xygd/rstarwars...

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by xnx »

mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

Largely agree, but I don't understand the connection to interest rates.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by samsquire »

taopai wrote: post #396
skilled wrote: post #188

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I have been thinking about this too over the last couple of days. What would it take to replace Reddit? In my opinion, the UI of social media has been deliberately designed to be a dopamine waterfall that discourages people to think or invest themselves in any one community. If you analyzed the top 1000 links on Reddit r/all at any given time, without checking it myself, I think you'd find that 950 of those links are…

I am really interested in this topic: hosting and managing forums. I don't want this technology and the kind of interaction between users to totally die so I want to learn to be semi-competent in it. Doing archaeology through old forums it's like treasure hunting, you find awesome posts and comments. Anyone knows any forum about Forums? Or, better, about it's technical aspects? Or any blog, book, about forums? I woul…

Thanks for your comment.

There is a community of people who administer web forums called "The Admin Zone"

https://www.theadminzone.com/

You can probably find web forums to join based on the posters there. There's all sorts of advice on that forum to do with rules, server administration and guides.

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