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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by goykasi »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #403
hax0ron3 wrote: post #40

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I think that such polls tend to vastly over-represent the small subsets of those communities who care enough about the issue to vote. Voting is very rare in subreddits so I imagine that probably most users of those subreddits did not even realize that the votes were happening. And knowing how authoritarian Reddit mods usually are, I doubt very much that for the most part they would not have done whatever they wanted…

The people who care are the kind of people who make the community. The community is the content and those who post it, aka the core that ties everything everything together. Lurkers are not part of the community, they might as well not even exist.

If lurkers don't exist, the community doesn't exist. It's well established that internet forums and communities consist of >=90% of users not contributing -- but consuming[1]. A small portion produce where as an overwhelming portion consume.

To say lurkers shouldnt exist is extremely reductive and callous.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by badtension »

paulmd wrote: post #290
dale_glass wrote: post #257

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They can do that of course, but if they do so, I'm leaving. Basically what I do on Reddit is to subscribe to the vision of a given group of mods. They're the ones I come to the site for, not Reddit the company. Eg, r/AskHistorians is good because it's run with an iron fist by the mods. When I come there I come seeking precisely that -- a well curated content archive that contains all wheat and zero chaff. If Reddit f…

And that’s fine because the commercial value of Reddit is not in r/AskHistorians, it’s in r/aww and r/earthporn and r/mildlyinteresting. People don’t get it, Reddit is fundamentally pivoting away from being a message board and pivoting towards being TikTok. In the TikTok model your comments and discussion are not the commercially viable product. The eyeballs are the product, comments are a flavor to show that other u…

Capitalism at its finest.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by INTPenis »

djvdq wrote: post #439
INTPenis wrote: post #295

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Very gloomy title though. And the content is very niched. I believe a majority of internet users will still use large corporate social media, simply because it's easier. We as developers have to understand that most users are not like us, they only want an accessible and simple experience when staying in touch with people and sharing their lives. But the power users, the ones who made up the majority of internet user…

IMHO, if 1-9-90 rule is true, then it depends on what this 1% of creators will do. If they'll stay on Reddit/any other centralized social media, then nothing will really change. But if creators will move to a different place, then lurkers might see that there are alternatives and maybe eventually they'll even move to them, if the content will be _better_ in their opinion.

"Creators" are not a single entity. There are tons of very creative people in the fediverse already.

There will be pockets of creativity all over the internet, maybe more in the centralized social media but the decentralized social media might be more attractive to creators who value and understand digital freedom.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by scheeseman486 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #440
scheeseman486 wrote: post #421

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"For every dozen social media sites that die there's one behemoth to take their place." Like Myspace did to Geocities. Like Facebook did to Myspace. Like TikTok did to Facebook. It's been a churn of platforms scaling too large, becoming too expensive to run, subsequently attempting to monetize users in a way that causes a flee that collapses the platform, with everyone running to the new hot thing thats burning throu…

I don't see monetization efforts as what drives users away, but rather seeing a new, trendy alternative and the old sites seeming antiquated by comparison. "It's where all the cool kids are" draws people in. The extreme outrage amongst mainstream users over Reddit trying to earn a buck here is an anomaly. In Reddit's case there is no trendy alternative to migrate over to, so all the users taking their ball and angril…

Meta are doing that dumb metaverse shit because they see their VR/AR ambitions as allowing them to build their own stable storefront monopoly. Discord also tried to get in on the storefront game, but bailed and are now in ??? mode, spamming users with begging notices for them to subscribe to their premium shit. Note the trend: established social media companies want to get the fuck out of social media.

If all that makes a social media network attractive is that it's new, that doesn't make for a very healthy ecosystem.

As for Reddit, I guess we'll see what happens. It's just a really big internet forum, the alternatives may not be trendy but neither is Reddit at this point. As you say, Discord is growing, maybe it's time for them to hold the bag and proceed to panic.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by worrycue »

zirgs wrote: post #277
afiori wrote: post #187

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Forums do not need to be centralised but they need to be interoperable if they wish to compete with reddit. Centralization is an easy way to do content aggregation, you can't compete if you lack good aggregation.

On reddit you can get banned from a bunch of subs, just because you post in a sub that their mods don't like. It's apparently against the reddit's rules, but nobody seems to give a shit. It'even easier to do that in the fediverse and it isn't against any rules. So there will be problems with interoperability, because of this.

> It'even easier to do that in the fediverse and it isn't against any rules. So there will be problems with interoperability, because of this.

Can’t you just create another account on a “compatible” server?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by stevenwliao »

exreddit wrote: post #130
Extasia785 wrote: post #75

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They could re-open it. But the last time we had a popular unmoderated subreddit, it became a mixture of porn, onlyfan models and Donald Trump / Jeffrey Epstein posts. Good OOTL if you want to give Reddit a click in these times: https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/gfo102/what_i... In the end Reddit and Mods are co-dependent on each other. Mods use the platform provided by Reddit, but Reddit uses the volunta…

Imagine the return of /r/creepshots and /r/jailbait, but on defaults.

Some users think "this platform is so good, it doesn't need moderation."

Somehow it never occurs to them that unmoderated platforms end up at best like 4chan and at worst like a site that gets shut down by the FBI.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by HelloNurse »

cykros wrote: post #388
dagw wrote: post #207

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On the one hand I feel exactly like you do, on the other hand I observe that my teenage daughter is making real friends on discord and game servers, just like I did on usenet and forums. So maybe it's you/me getting older rather than (just) the internet changing. Oh the good old days :( As do I, but I suspect much of what I miss is simply just being young and free and all that comes with that.

The difference was, back in the good old days, you were making friends with the people who owned and ran the platforms you were on. And they weren't (usually) slurping up all manner of data about you to sell off access to in one form or other. That is not the case now. On the other hand, from a parent's perspective, the "good old days" were an absolute nightmare, because nobody was particularly responsible for polici…

Social media platforms and their "policing content" caused major cultural degradation.

For example the loose girls who 25 years ago would have maintained web galleries of honest, mostly well made naked pics of themselves now post Instagram reels where they use a strong light source from behind to display the silhouette of their pussy through a thin dress: no nudity, but far more perversion.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by pmoriarty »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #445
pmoriarty wrote: post #440

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I don't see monetization efforts as what drives users away, but rather seeing a new, trendy alternative and the old sites seeming antiquated by comparison. "It's where all the cool kids are" draws people in. The extreme outrage amongst mainstream users over Reddit trying to earn a buck here is an anomaly. In Reddit's case there is no trendy alternative to migrate over to, so all the users taking their ball and angril…

Meta are doing that dumb metaverse shit because they see their VR/AR ambitions as allowing them to build their own stable storefront monopoly. Discord also tried to get in on the storefront game, but bailed and are now in ??? mode, spamming users with begging notices for them to subscribe to their premium shit. Note the trend: established social media companies want to get the fuck out of social media. If all that ma…

If you have a captive audience you can advertise to them. That's what all of this is about, and many companies have made billions with this strategy.

Whether the advertising is done by Geocities or MySpace or Facebook doesn't make any difference to the consumer, who's still the product these companies sell to their real customers: the advertisers.

Discord can make plenty of money selling ads too, and I would not be at all surprised to see ads in every Discord channel in the future, especially as (unlike Reddit) it doesn't have any third-party clients through which users can circumvent any ads Discord may want to show.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by austhrow743 »

paulmd wrote: post #290
dale_glass wrote: post #257

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They can do that of course, but if they do so, I'm leaving. Basically what I do on Reddit is to subscribe to the vision of a given group of mods. They're the ones I come to the site for, not Reddit the company. Eg, r/AskHistorians is good because it's run with an iron fist by the mods. When I come there I come seeking precisely that -- a well curated content archive that contains all wheat and zero chaff. If Reddit f…

And that’s fine because the commercial value of Reddit is not in r/AskHistorians, it’s in r/aww and r/earthporn and r/mildlyinteresting. People don’t get it, Reddit is fundamentally pivoting away from being a message board and pivoting towards being TikTok. In the TikTok model your comments and discussion are not the commercially viable product. The eyeballs are the product, comments are a flavor to show that other u…

As one of those users who doesn't get it, the it I don't get isn't that Reddit would rather be TikTok or that people who are just looking to mindlessly scroll generic content are easier to monetise, it's what Reddit's value proposition is as a TikTok alternative.

As you say it's not hard to generate reasonably compelling content. There's no shortage of cat picture or funny gif sources. So it's not that.

TikTok supposedly has a killer algorithm to spruce up that generic content. Facebook/Instagram has your friends. My understanding is that the niche subs are what Reddit brings to the table as an add-on to the generic but monetisable content. People come for the askhistorians post that their google search surfaced and then some of them stay and scroll cat pics for a while.

If they get rid of the niche sub users, why do the 80% not go to TikTok?

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