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EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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These rulings for a company of Google's stature/importance are always funny to me. How quickly would public opinion change if Google decided to just shut off their service in the EU for a day? Monopolistic breakups that serve the public's best interest are one thing. But how many people actually care that Google might represent a monopoly? Does it actually affect people negatively if the result is a positive online u…

I think that's why they're trying to go about it in a way that still allows Google to provide the search. As for the benefit, when Google and Facebook jack up the prices of ads, it's probably increasing the prices of many things you buy on the internet. Just as an example, I recently tried to run an ad on Google. There are no competitors in this space at all. It cost me > 1-2 USD per click. 10-15 years ago I also tri…

Thanks for the anecdote on ad pricing. That's certainly concerning.

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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"The Commission is concerned that Google’s allegedly intentional conducts aimed at giving [Google’s ad exchange] AdX a competitive advantage and may have foreclosed rival ad exchanges." So the goal is for there to be more competition among advertisers? That might help ad purchasers (ie. mostly corporations), but consumers are still going to be screwed as this does nothing to stop the spying and advertising that are w…

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Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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it would be better if they broke the ad exchange from the rest. a google without the ad revenue doesnt make sense

The split Google "Services" part can still contract other ad networks for revenue, including AdSense if competitive. They just won't be able to bundle.

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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And microsoft is walking scot free. They can happily control operating systems, office tools, a slice of search, ides, ads within their os, are allowed to buy large game makers and soon ai. As a bare minimum they should be forced greater compatibility with running their software on linux and ideally be banned from doing ads, ai and gamedev.

The EU has brought several antitrust cases against Microsoft regarding Windows and Office and succeeded, and recently fined them for anti-competitive behavior on video calling software.

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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Can't wait for the chinese or indian SEC to start suing US nationals for different exotic financial wrongdoings on some half hidden rule

You've slipped down quite the slope to go from antitrust of companies operating in the jurisdiction to foreign natural persons.

Not really. When did the Chinese CFTC do something like this to any american?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_flash_crash#Evidence_of_m...

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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I would love to see Google leaving Europe. I bet within a few weeks proper maybe even better replacements appear in Europe. Maybe even one of mine :) Google is an ad company. None of its services are critical to maintain a stable society. I would even argue that Europe would be better of without the American tech giants.

Europe would return to the dark ages if all American tech companies pulled out overnight. But it is a humorous thought that the only way there can be European alternatives is if there are no American companies to compete against. What is it about Europe that puts it so far behind the US and Asia in innovation? >None of its services are critical to maintain a stable society. Except Android, Maps, Search, Gmail, YouTub…

> What is it about Europe that puts it so far behind the US and Asia in innovation?

The US barely produces enough illegal drugs for its own market. If all illegal drug manufacturers cut off the supply lines to the US, the illegal drug trade in the US would tank overnight. What is it about the US that puts it so far behind South American countries in innovation?

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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I used to believe that company breakups should happen automatically when they reach 1% of the country's GDP. There are lots of ways companies could avoid having the government decide how to break them up such as issuing dividends instead of hording cash, spinning off non-core businesses, setting up independent IP companies that would license back IP to the core company (and as an indpendent company, be required to li…

How about an automatic nationalisation in stead? Where you take companies which have grown too big out of the private ownership’s hands.

Or maybe do the the China model, where the board of directors gets some mandatory appointed board members...? ;)

Only 1/2 /s there...

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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These rulings for a company of Google's stature/importance are always funny to me. How quickly would public opinion change if Google decided to just shut off their service in the EU for a day? Monopolistic breakups that serve the public's best interest are one thing. But how many people actually care that Google might represent a monopoly? Does it actually affect people negatively if the result is a positive online u…

I would love to see Google leaving Europe. I bet within a few weeks proper maybe even better replacements appear in Europe. Maybe even one of mine :) Google is an ad company. None of its services are critical to maintain a stable society. I would even argue that Europe would be better of without the American tech giants.

>I bet within a few weeks proper maybe even better replacements appear in Europe.

There is absolutely no way that would happen

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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You can say the same about LVMH in the luxury goods market. I don't see Europe trying to break up one of their own companies.

The difference is that LVMH-type products are irrelevant to 98% of the population, and have a highly questionable impact to the top 2%. De Beers had an iconic monopoly on diamonds for over a century, but as far as I know the only time a major government really went after them was for colluding over industrial diamonds, which are actually important. Ensuring that jewelry diamonds and checkered handbags are available a…

I knew it someone would reply by saying Google's industry is somehow more important so Europe should regulate them but ignore their own monopolies.

Re: EU suggests breaking up Google's ad business in preliminary antitrust ruling

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Google operates an exchange for a digital asset, is a major vendor/trader of said asset on that exchange and operates an algorithmic trading platform to enable people to buy and sell on that exchange. On top of that the algorithmic trades are a "black box" with no audit trail, and no public insight into how it operates.

If that sounds familiar, think illegal crypto exchanges...

Obviously "ads" are not "securities", but when you take that along with the monopolistic position Google have between businesses and consumers online, the status quo is not sustainable. The EU is absolutely right to suggest breaking Google up, it should not be allowed to operate as an exchange, broker-dealer, and clearing agency.

Google have systematically taken control away from advertisers over the last ten years, it used to be that we would have deep control and insight into our campaigns. Now, it's all purely algorithmic, you put money in, and they promise to send you customers, with very little control from you.

Something important I want to draw attention to though, there is obviously much to complain about with Google tracking visitors/consumers, but their tracking and "spying" on businesses using the platform is also incredibly deep. In order to advertise effectively with Google Ads, you now need to provide them with full sales figures from your checkout process. They want to feed the "algorithm" with your revenue numbers, not just from sales resulting from ad clicks, but all your sales. Google have amassed the most incredible insight into any and all businesses online. They know exactly how much you are making, how competitive you are compared to your competition, and how much they can squeeze out of you. They are in the position to design the "algorithm" to maximise their take as they can see your figures.

So to finish, they operate a monopolistic exchange, as broker-dealer, clearing agency, and algorithmic trader, at the same time as having full visibility of your books. To me that should clearly be illegal.

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