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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by rcxdude »

frankacter wrote: post #148
aniforprez wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you take the word of reddit management on this issue? That seems like the least trustworthy source here

Because they have gone on public record with those numbers and as of yet, no one has refuted them. Do you have an alternate source of user level data that breaks down average vs. outliers and that ratio that you feel is more accurate? The free tier is 100 queries per minute for an OAuth logged in client per the public statement, and that number has also been stated by a few 3rd party app developers. That is a lot for…

The main issue here is that the number isn't relevant: it's per API key, not per user. So unless reddit starts handing out API keys to every user then it doesn't make the slightest difference to third party apps.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by modo_mario »

reso wrote: post #71

Is there something counter-intuitive about reddit that makes it hard to monetize? That's the core issue. Reddit still makes barely $1/user/month while instagram makes $35. Cutting off the 3rd party apps is a cost-cutting move, not a revenue-generating move. Why haven't they managed to find more revenue? I'm loath to say it but Huffman has had a decade to solve this and hasn't. Might be time for new leadership with ne…

I'm surprised reddit can't run with that amount of profit per user per month but more surprised by the Instagram number.

Surely spending there is overinflated? I know whales with bad impulse control are a thing but there's no way the average user there justifies $35 in ad spending.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by plewd »

xinayder wrote: post #353

Why not delete the accounts and the subreddits as a protest? It would do much more damage and it would be much worse if the reddit admins decided to restore the deleted subreddits.

Because the subs still plan on reopening if Reddit complied with their demands (although that seems extremely unlikely, based on Huffman's comment)

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by lelanthran »

dale_glass wrote: post #257
paulmd wrote: post #167

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Yeah it’s now “oh and maybe we’ll do ‘touch grass tuesdays’ in perpetuity”. That’s an incredibly unsympathetic message imo. Get real. If anyone thinks a business is going to tolerate a clique of powermods choosing to randomly shut things down according to their own schedule… they’re gonna be disappointed. Let alone I’ve seen some people thinking they can demand a hand in the corporate governance? Yeah fuck no powermo…

They can do that of course, but if they do so, I'm leaving. Basically what I do on Reddit is to subscribe to the vision of a given group of mods. They're the ones I come to the site for, not Reddit the company. Eg, r/AskHistorians is good because it's run with an iron fist by the mods. When I come there I come seeking precisely that -- a well curated content archive that contains all wheat and zero chaff. If Reddit f…

> If Reddit forces them off, and they create www.askhistorians.com, then I'm making a account there.

And that's fine, but you're talking as if everyone is like you, with only 1 subreddit that they browse.

In reality (and reddit probably has the numbers to verify this), most people jump across maybe 10 or more different mods.

They're not going to go create 10 different accounts elsewhere.

I personally am not a big reddit user, and yet I have about 10 sunreddits that I subscribe to. Logging into reddit (old.reddit), I see all those posts after login.

This is also the reason why the federated system is broken by design: the type of users who use reddit don't want the friction of logging onto a dozen different instances to see all the posts related to ONE top.

I think what a lot of people are missing is that centralisation is what provides the value reddit has. Moderators (seriously, those people are a dime a dozen - in fact you can charge mods a fee and you still won't run out of mods wanting to sign up) are not the primary value in reddit. Posts are not the primary value in reddit.

Being the central place where all the people you want to hang out with are hanging out is the primary value of reddit.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by saaaaaam »

mnsc wrote: post #322
mjburgess wrote: post #266

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Every time you type you create value for the platform. Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park. At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort. This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. W…

This is value: https://i.imgur.com/QGEwbPI.png I don't think I will read anything else this insightful today. Would I pay for this thread? Absolutely. Would I pay $19.99/month for HNPREMIUM where I could read "the full thread" of top content providers like mjburgess? Nope.

I can’t exactly pinpoint what it is about this but I can’t help feeling that there’s a certain irony in you taking a screenshot of a perfectly readable, accessible post on here and posting that as (to my mind) a less readable less accessible, decontextualised piece of content - an image on an image sharing site.

Is it because people will genuinely engage with that content there?

Is it a “this is such good content I’ve captured it for posterity - look here’s the proof!” type of endorsement?

Or is it an attempt to archive the content into some sort of collective memory? Or an aide memoire for your own purposes?

Genuinely curious to understand your motivation, it’s not a criticism of what you’ve done, just something I feel I don’t understand.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by ubercore »

leovander wrote: post #325
weejewel wrote: post #114

Why don’t they just introduce Reddit Premium, for say $5/mo, which is ad-free and allows 3rd party clients.

Uh, they already offer that. https://www.reddit.com/premium

There's nothing about third party client access there. That's the important part.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by fallingknife »

klik99 wrote: post #348
mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

Ad networks fudged the numbers for many years, free just isn't as viable as thought. I don't mind paying - either for a service or for server costs of hosting my own instance or whatever - and I certainly don't mind paying reddit specifically. However the price point, putting it on developers and not regular users so they thought users wouldn't be bothered (I guess they assumed apps like Apollo would pass it on to th…

Reddit was much better 10 years ago when it was much less moderated. If anything I would expect nerfing the mods to improve things.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by dale_glass »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #336
dale_glass wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people may even start arguing with each other in the comments section. Their comments are stored on your server. Don't you own them? Kinda no. As per copyright law, each comment is automatically copyrighted by the poster. If somebody slips up and pastes their novel in a comment, that doesn't grant you permission to print and sell it. > Can't you delete them? Can't you disable the comments any time you wish? Th…

> Kinda no. As per copyright law, each comment is automatically copyrighted by the poster. If somebody slips up and pastes their novel in a comment, that doesn't grant you permission to print and sell it. The way around this is to make users agree to some terms of use to assign rights when signing up, which is what Reddit did.

Yes, but it's still a limited license to use it. The primary ownership is still with the comment writer.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by plewd »

seydor wrote: post #328
BlackJack wrote: post #28

I read the comments and many are in this vein: "Agreed, moderators with a power complex are the worst thing about this site. Don't even care about this API crap." Never realized mods were so disliked. I thought the blackout sent a message+got coverage, but don't like subreddits extending it without consulting their users. I use reddit about 5-10 minutes/day so I don't care either way.

> Never realized mods were so disliked That's because they ban those people left and right People are rightly pissed at mods here, they are constant abusers of their power

> People are rightly pissed at mods here, they are constant abusers of their power

This is just fallacy of composition (stereotyping), just because some of them are toxic doesn't mean they all are.

It's the same type of argument as "All cops are corrupt because a few of them did something illegal".

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