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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by rightbyte »

makeitdouble wrote: post #250
azangru wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums What's stopping anyone today to have a community around a forum? phpBB still exists...

The friction and the money perhaps. I found the story of Hive (the social network) fascinating in that it was basically that idea of someone jumping in, learning the ropes, building a platform. And getting crushed under how much knowledge and effort, ultimately money, is needed to run a decent platform. Their team was truely incompetent, but looking under the surface they were really a group of a few amateurs trying…

> experienced engineers is needed for anything touching user info.

That is only a problem if you have user info. On classical forums, everything was public if there was no PMs.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Rzor »

haunter wrote: post #202

tbh more and more commenters questioning the mod actions. Just one example I follow: /r/StarWars is kinda falling apart + the push for Discord is so pointless https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/148xygd/rstarwars... /r/hockey is the same, total pointlessly came back + missed the championship game too https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/148xsck/rhockey_has...

StarWars has a bunch of upvotes. Not sure about falling apart.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by skc »

jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

Ultimately he's right I think.

Most of the sports related subs I follow are indeed back after a 48 hour hiatus.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by narrator »

mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

What's going on now is the dekulakization of the internet. Oh you are a prosperous farmer/reddit moderator who thought you owned something, well here we are going to take it from you and put it under government/corporate ownership and sell all your grain/userbase off to pay for imports/ next quarters earnings and starve you to death/flood you with awful ads and propaganda.

It's going on with real farmers in the Netherlands and in a similar fashion with other assets people thought they owned just about everywhere as we convert to the own nothing economy.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by midoridensha »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #108
gary_0 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tumblr went from selling for $1B in 2013 to $3M in 2019. The brand persists but as a business it's a dismal failure. If Reddit follows that arc it will be a dismal failure as well.

Why should we care if it’s financial failure for its owners as long as it brings the same value to its users?

Tumblr doesn't bring the same value to its users as it did before; it's basically forgotten these days, much like MySpace.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mjburgess »

Kiro wrote: post #256
mjburgess wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trajectory of discord might be: under-charge and bring in users to supply content; increase charge when users now depend on that content; fail & monetize their data and their attention; succeed & implode because users dont want their attention/data monetized. This would be less of an issue if users had clear legal rights (perhaps IP rights) to their own data. I'd have fewer problems with "commercial platforms" if…

What's the free labour on Discord?

Every time you type you create value for the platform.

Moderators, users, etc. are people volunteering for each other -- not for discord. Discord is just a public park.

At some point probably they'll go full social-media-megacorp and start to believe they own all groups using the public park; all their leaflets, and posters, and boardgames. All their time and effort.

This is really the heart of the reddit blackout. Who own's what makes reddit valuable?

On any sane sense digital ownership rights: it's users. Reddit inc provides well-trimmed grass and a nice pond (ie., source code and servers).

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by b3orn »

movedx wrote: post #193
4dregress wrote: post #104

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I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

I know what you mean. Although Discord is, in my opinion, WAY better than IRC, I do miss the interactions and friends I made there. I miss forums as well, which is kind of funny because they still exist - not sure why I don't use them more?

Classic forums aren't connected with each other, you need a new account for every forum you want to participate in, sometimes just to look at the content. On Reddit (or StackExchange) you can have one account to access "forums" for almost everything, call it low friction if you want.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Dalewyn »

djvdq wrote: post #254
ccvannorman wrote: post #17

"not your platform". More Mastadons, please.

Honest question. Why do so many people (including you) make mistake in Mastodon name? MastOdon, not MastAdon.

It's probably the pronunciation, like how people say "should of" when the proper spelling is "should've".

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by drumhead »

It's 80:20 isn't it, the big subs are the draw, so they probably only need to force those to open to get traffic back. They can probably afford to pay for mods on those subs, as for the smaller subs, they probably don't care.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by tester457 »

hacb wrote: post #209
zmmmmm wrote: post #136

I think a different approach would work better at this point. They need to stay up but use their subreddits to publicly plan Reddit "exits" for each community. Subreddits should start polls on where migrate to (discord, lemmy, mastodon, etc etc), and then start systematically cross posting anything posted to their subreddit to the new space, with comments turned off on the Reddit version. The key in a negotiation is…

If my favorites subreddits go to Discord, I'll simply not go there. Discord has nothing to do like a forum, it is almost impossible to search for valuable information, and is really hard to use when dozens and dozens of people are talking simultaneously. I really don't get why so many people want their sub to go to Discord tbh.

Discord has forums now, they're helpful. The only downside is they're not indexed.
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