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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by bowenjin »

McAtNite wrote: post #217
nodespace wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is subtley different though. 1$ gets split between all upvotes a person made. So instead of posts getting a value amount directly proportional to upvotes recieved, it will be proportional to how often those users upvote. In theory I think this would encourage higher quality posts to attract those who upvote rarely.

I may be wrong, but I believe this is how the subreddit already works. They set a total amount of crypto to be released, and it goes in proportion to the total number of upvotes you receive in comparison to others in a given time window. I think the approaches are largely identical with the exception of the crypto vs direct fiat.

The difference is that the non.io model rewards more for upvotes from people who have a high bar for upvoting and upvote rarely.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by that_guy_iain »

idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

> The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences.

I foresee some company suing because their content is being monetised by other people.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by [deleted] »

McAtNite wrote: post #217
nodespace wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is subtley different though. 1$ gets split between all upvotes a person made. So instead of posts getting a value amount directly proportional to upvotes recieved, it will be proportional to how often those users upvote. In theory I think this would encourage higher quality posts to attract those who upvote rarely.

I may be wrong, but I believe this is how the subreddit already works. They set a total amount of crypto to be released, and it goes in proportion to the total number of upvotes you receive in comparison to others in a given time window. I think the approaches are largely identical with the exception of the crypto vs direct fiat.

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Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by ipaddr »

ctenb wrote: post #263
98codes wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% -- I'm not creating an account if I can't use the app, demo the app, or otherwise get a proper idea of what I'm signing up for, in order to see if it'll be worth my time to begin with.

There is https://non.io/#all

Should be the homepage.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by jodrellblank »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #307
jodrellblank wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “ it has a business model ” What’s that story about the economist who was trying to concentrate but there were kids playing soccer below his window and being noisy, so he went out and offered them $1 each if they come back and played tomorrow. The next day he offered them 50c, then 25c, and after that 5c, and the kids got annoyed “we wouldn’t come here to play for a measly five cents!” and stormed off, and didn’t c…

>but if you take $24 from me for a year and then offer me $0.0193 for my efforts based on upvotes I might feel a bit cheesed off about it. is that how it works? I thought it was offering payments based on who creates posts or other community tools, not based on participation. you are correct that 2 cents would be a pittance to me who doesn't even want to be paid to browse content. But if I and 1000 others gave that 2…

It reads to me like:

> "[your subscription fee over my $1 take] gets split evenly between everything you upvote that month."

So if I subscribe and pay $2/month, there's $1/month from me for that, so if I upvote ten things they each get $0.03 from me and if I upvote a ten things a day that's three hundred in a month, they each get $0.0033 from me.

I'm not clear if that covers comments or only top level submissions / posts, but if I comment and get upvoted ten times in a month, presumably I get some money from the upvoters, like $0.03. There are times I've spent well over an hour writing programming comments on Reddit, testing code or trying to explain a concept, things that could have been a blog post. Getting nothing for it is fine, that was the deal. Getting $0.03 for it is more like tipping a waitress a penny, I think. Getting $10 would need into the thousands of votes (which rarely happens on Reddit comments by comparison) and still wouldn't pay for my time wtiting it by minimum wage.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by lucb1e »

abhibeckert wrote: post #345

> hope it's a better [model] than the freemium model we've been relying on for the last few years. It may be a better model for something, but it's impossible for this to be used on a "reddit-like" site. Reddit is a large community where many users are anonymous. A paid model means it will never be a large community and posters will never be anonymous. And while reddit has tried to make freemium work, I'm pretty sure…

> Reddit is a large community where many users are anonymous

...to you. Not to reddit themselves in virtually all cases. Maybe 1% browses through seven proxies but if the 99% is okay with "public anonymity", it'll work for the masses so long as you don't show everyone's payment details on their profile pages.

(Whether excluding this particular 1% desirable, is a different question.)

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by afterburner »

JustBreath wrote: post #255
danudey wrote: post #232

I like the concept, though I agree with a lot of the comments about people content farming and reposting comments for upvotes and I think that would kill the site (since Reddit already has enough of a problem with this and that's just for fake internet points). The thing that I think a lot of people are missing about Reddit is that it's not a content aggregation site like HN or Digg or your site, Non.io; it's a commu…

Yeah one key missing feature is subreddit creation and moderation. Without all the free labor from moderators curating content for topics with different tastes and ideas about what the community should be, it's going to be a struggle to build a community.

Yeah, creating a community is hard work, all those free moderators made it possible, if not perfect.

Also, I'm mainly on sites like Reddit for the discussion, so those people creating millions of comments in communities are the main draw for me. Finding the perfect karma model was never the solution, we only ever needed one that was "good enough". And that's actually very easy, provided you aren't trying to frankenstein the algo-feed to serve advertisers.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Greed »

bradgessler wrote: post #312
root_axis wrote: post #36

Congrats on the hard work, and the idea is fine, but the problem is that tech like this is a cheap commodity in a massively oversaturated space, and without a hook that makes the platform exceptional (innovative/clever/beautiful design, unique aggregation features, inherently interesting content, reimagined user/content/moderation dynamics etc etc), this kind of thing is dead in the water because it lacks a network e…

What is it about insanely great user experience design that's hard to "open source" in the same sense that engineers are able collaborate on software, like Linux, and achieve massive distribution?

The difference is that you can see it. If you have two highly skilled contributors with very different programming styles, they can still collaborate within the same codebase given a goal and the end-result is the same for your users. When a code contribution is marginally better or worse in its approach than another the difference is negligible to the project as a whole. By contrast, users notice when a single color is different for design elements. And they complain extremely loudly about it.

On the contributor side:

- Visual style guides require much more time and skill to create (relative to style guides for code) and still generally fail to achieve anywhere near the aesthetic unity of a single great designer with total control.

- If you commoditize your design elements to the point where it is easy to contribute them, then it is no more difficult to do it yourself to begin with.

- Delegation of design work still requires that you funnel it somewhere to be judged on qualitative measures, rather than the pass/fail nature of code

Generally the best you can do is collaborate very, very tightly and then funnel it through a single person in the end anyway a la Python's BDFL in a very trial and error fashion.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Endy »

I find the concept interesting, but I see no reason to spend money when platforms with larger communities only want easily-obfuscated personal data or easily-blocked advertising impressions. If anything, the number of sites which are advertising themselves as "like Reddit, except..." today is proof that Advance Media (and Spez) are right in exerting their influence over Reddit's users and their channels of engagement.
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