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Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Wild guess: visiting a private sub requires an extra call to a service/db to check if the user can view it. Normally there are only a small number of these checks because private subs were usually small communities. Now, many large subs having switched private is causing some poor mircoservice somewhere to get hammered.

I never worked at this scale, but could it also be that different subs are horizontally scaled and with so many people reverting to the subs that are still open the load is unevenly balanced?

Good question! And few people get to work at this scale, so it's not an unreasonable guess. I'll join you in speculating wildly about this, since, hey, it's kind of fun.

IMHO sharding traffic by subreddit doesn't pass the smell-test, though. Different subreddits have very different traffic patterns, so the system would likely end up with hotspots continuously popping up, and it'd probably be toilsome to constantly babysit hot shards and rebalance. (Consider some of the more academic subreddits vs. some of the more meme-driven subreddits — and then consider what happens when e.g. a particular subreddit takes off, or goes cold.)

Sharding on a dimension that has a more random/uniform distribution is usually the way to go. Off the top of my head (still speculating wildly and basically doing a 5-minute version of the system-design question just for fun), I'd be curious to shard by a hash of the post ID, or something like that. The trick is always to have a hashing algorithm that's stable when it's time to grow the number of shards (otherwise you're kicking off a whole re-balancing every time), and of course I'm too lazy to sort that out in this comment. I vaguely remember the Instagram team had a really cool sharding approach that they blogged about in this vein. (This would've been pre-acquisition, so ancient history by Silicon Valley standards.)

As for subreddit metadata (public, private, whatever), I'd really expect all of that to be in a global cache at this point. It's read-often/write-rarely data, and close-to-realtime cache-invalidation when it does change is a straightforward and solved problem.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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What would you call whatever that japanese underage comic thing is? It features no persons and no one was abused yet it still illegal. I don't object to the term as applied, but I don't particularly feel great about the word 'abuse' being used for cartoon characters since it degrades the experience of human survivors.

> yet it still illegal. Not in the U.S., federally at least, where the justice department's guidance specifies that CP is media which "appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor." https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-fede...

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Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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> I think flag burning and provocative art are unquestionably intended to convey "ideas". That seems very open to interpretation to me; it seems to me these kind of things express a "feeling" much more than an "idea", and they might also be considered "antisocial" that you mentioned in your previous comment. I meant "nudity" only in the sense of "nudity", nothing more. e.g. "I want to make a nudist TV cooking program…

Yeah, I suppose there is some ambiguity there. Though I'd argue a standard like "does this harm people?" would even more open to interpretation and prone to abuse. Just about any idea can be framed as "harmful" to some person or group given a sufficient level of motivated reasoning (in fact, almost all modern cases of mass censorship seem to try to justify themselves that way). I much prefer a clear principle with fe…

In your "ideas" phrasing the exceptions seem implicit rather than explicit by virtue of not covering everything. I think it's better to be explicit about "you can do whatever you want, except [..]".

That some people will try to abuse this seems inescapable no matter what; we'll still be argueing the details 200 or 2,000 years from now because there is no way to capture any of this in clear neat rules. The best we can do is come up with some decent set of ground rules which convey the intent and purpose as best as possible. This is why we have judges to, well, judge, and "reasonably harm people in a significant way" seems like a lot clearer of a guideline for this than a much more vague "ideas".

Flag burning wasn't protected as free speech in the US until 1989. I have a list of stuff that was banned or censored in the past that would be considered unobjectionable by almost everyone today, and I suspect things would have been better if we had "freedom of expression" instead of "freedom of speech" (or "free exchange of ideas", for that matter).

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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How Reddit Got Huge: Tons of Fake Accounts https://www.vice.com/en/article/z4444w/how-reddit-got-huge-t... Reddit has always seemed to have gotten a pass when it comes to being a cesspool of fake accounts, what we would call bots today. I'm really hoping it fails, it's leadership team has always been amongst the worst of the tech companies.

Something that happened 15 years ago when reddit had 50 users isn't evidence for anything today, really.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Lots of speculation on Twitter about this—a failed attempt to re-open all closed subreddits and instate their own moderators. I can't imagine it'd be that, although I do enjoy the conspiracy, and more likely they were using the window of reduced traffic to make some larger changes and they went awry

Wild guess: visiting a private sub requires an extra call to a service/db to check if the user can view it. Normally there are only a small number of these checks because private subs were usually small communities. Now, many large subs having switched private is causing some poor mircoservice somewhere to get hammered.

Personally I'd like to believe that the servers themselves are standing in solidarity with the blackout over the API changes. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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> I'd argue that anyone should be free to talk with others about their opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with that opinion. Sure, when “talking” is done via sound waves or someone else’s medium it’s different But if you have free-speech parties at your place and people spray paint messages on your house then you are now “hosting” You decide which words you leave or paint over

Platforms like reddit are in no way similar to personal property like a house that you live in. A better analogy would be, imagine you rent your house to someone else . You make a rule that tenants may display political messages in their windows, but only for one political party. That would be illegal. You can prohibit all signs if you want, but specifically choosing what signs someone gets to display violates their…

The renting analogy fits even less though. Renters have protections against evictions that don't exist for websites. If I break the rules of my lease it would take a month or 2 minimum to get kicked out. If I break Reddit's rules I can get banned immediately.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Maybe it's expensive to generate the 403 for a private subreddit. A place I once worked had a 404 handler that was extremely expensive, but nobody noticed for a while because 404s are relatively rare. One time a vulnerability scanner took down the site because it was just hitting known vulnerability paths which all 404'd. The code that executed during a 404 was n^2.

As long as n=1 it‘s no problem :-)

That's exactly why the problem didn't reveal itself for a while :)

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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I deleted Apollo and the official Reddit app (which I used to post posts) and I'm done. I had been a user for ~12 years and had 150K+ comment karma. They fucked up and now I'll spend more time on here and /., is my guess. Unless there are other strong dork communities I should be looking into. Edit: Ask HN thread showed up on my last question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36293789

There's also tildes.net (like early Reddit set up as non profit, invite only, but not hard to get an invite) and also open source distributed https://join-lemmy.org/

When you say "not hard to get an invite" what do you mean?

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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Can you give us one example of a jurisdiction where a photo of a teenager in bikini would count as CSAM?

* Note: This IS NOT Legal Advice * Most states in the US could use a photo of a teenager in a bikini as enough 'evidence' to bring charges of Possession of Pornography involving a Juvenile, depending on what the actual photo depicts. Whether the contents of the image could be found to substantiate a conviction for the charge would be a trial/appeals issue. Nudity is not required for an image to be considered CSAM in…

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Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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I'd be all up for an initiative that attempts to burst the liberal bubble which seems to reject the possibility that people have other things to do than follow the latest inclusivity trends online, but come on. You know well what this is about. Had to scroll like 3 posts down to find out that this panders to reactionary clowns[0]. If this were a protest I would expect polemic discourse, yet the "official account" is…

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Read the twitter bio of that movement's page and tell me your definition of "everyone" here.

If you don't support Stolzmonat's agenda, then you are probably not welcome - pretty much the same as with Pride. What's the difference then?

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