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Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #520

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Yep, this is definitely just speculation, but I think this is it. Code/queries that worked fine at small load for private subs just doesn't work at scale when tons of subs are private.

Isn't the source code of Reddit on GitHub? At least it used to be...

They have two older versions up but nothing recent.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #536

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Wild guess: visiting a private sub requires an extra call to a service/db to check if the user can view it. Normally there are only a small number of these checks because private subs were usually small communities. Now, many large subs having switched private is causing some poor mircoservice somewhere to get hammered.

My personal guess is it's down on purpose so they can say only 5% of subs who said they would go dark actually did, we just happened to have a service outage that day so they can push their own narrative t investors. Spez doesn't care anymore, he's focused on that IPO payday and to tell with everyone else. He's a liability to the company now, but the board isn't acting.

Here's a site which tracks how many subs have been made private. It's actually crazy that it's up to 93% of them now: https://reddark.untone.uk/

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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No. CP is a term used by 4chan and people unfamiliar with the topic. The detection, prevention, and enforcement community uses the term CSAM.

It's the only term I'd ever seen for it, in any context, until the last couple years. And I'm not a 4channer. Pretty sure it's just another euphemism-treadmill thing. (not that I mind in this case, I think the new term's fine, and certainly not worth fighting over)

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #537

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This is partly why I now prefer the term "free exchange of ideas" over "freedom of speech". I believe it more closely captures the essence of what makes free speech worth protecting, while also conveniently excluding stuff like this (among other things, like spam or antisocial behavior).

Wouldn't that potentially also exclude "obscene" things such as nudity? Or things like flag burning, or provocative art?

It doesn't seem to do anything other than play word games with what counts as an 'idea' instead of what counts as 'speech'. An attempt to reset the existing case law, philosophy, etc., without facing it head on. Perhaps we need to reconsider if images count as speech. What about algorithms? Is an algorithm an idea? Even if it is an algorithm that generates an image?

The issue I see developing is that any attempt to carve out what is not desired by some group is going to create standards that will let other groups carve out what wasn't intended in the first place. Look at how encryption is under attack and one common way it is attacked is by claims of how it promotes the spread of CSAM. So government asks for reasonable backdoors that will only ever be used to stop such material, yet tech circles realize that any such backdoor will allow for arbitrary power to block any material.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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They're the same thing and used interchangeably. The sexual abuse is from the sharing lascivious pictures of someone taken without their consent, with the additional context that children are not understood to be capable of consent for sharing lascivious pictures. It is not physical abuse.

What would you call whatever that japanese underage comic thing is? It features no persons and no one was abused yet it still illegal. I don't object to the term as applied, but I don't particularly feel great about the word 'abuse' being used for cartoon characters since it degrades the experience of human survivors.

> yet it still illegal.

Not in the U.S., federally at least, where the justice department's guidance specifies that CP is media which "appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor."

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-fede...

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #536

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My personal guess is it's down on purpose so they can say only 5% of subs who said they would go dark actually did, we just happened to have a service outage that day so they can push their own narrative t investors. Spez doesn't care anymore, he's focused on that IPO payday and to tell with everyone else. He's a liability to the company now, but the board isn't acting.

Here's a site which tracks how many subs have been made private. It's actually crazy that it's up to 93% of them now: https://reddark.untone.uk/

It's funny that /r/therewasanattempt and /r/whatcouldgowrong are on that list but still public (or public again?)

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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This is partly why I now prefer the term "free exchange of ideas" over "freedom of speech". I believe it more closely captures the essence of what makes free speech worth protecting, while also conveniently excluding stuff like this (among other things, like spam or antisocial behavior).

Ooh, that's good. It also makes it clearer what's going on when people are waving the "free speech" banner over things like harassment and abuse. Allowing abuse not only doesn't increase the free exchange of ideas. It also often directly decreases it because it drives off people who get targeted by racism, sexism, et cetera, ad nauseam.

When the use cases for a given signal have proven to be reliably overwhelmed by the abuse cases for that same signal, the signal is no longer making a net positive contribution to freedom, causing net harm rather than help. At this point I don't think such a signal should be protected as free speech.

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #537

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Wouldn't that potentially also exclude "obscene" things such as nudity? Or things like flag burning, or provocative art?

I think flag burning and provocative art are unquestionably intended to convey "ideas". In fact, they fit into that category far more cleanly than they do into "speech" in my opinion. Nudity... depends on the purpose but probably not. I agree that's unfortunate if your stance is that there should be no restrictions on porn, but I'm not sure the arguments for why freedom of speech is a good idea really apply to porn i…

> I think flag burning and provocative art are unquestionably intended to convey "ideas".

That seems very open to interpretation to me; it seems to me these kind of things express a "feeling" much more than an "idea", and they might also be considered "antisocial" that you mentioned in your previous comment.

I meant "nudity" only in the sense of "nudity", nothing more. e.g. "I want to make a nudist TV cooking programme", or stuff like that. No concrete "ideas" are being exchanged with that as such.

I'm not a free speech absolution by any means, but I have generally favoured the exact opposite: "free expression" instead of "free speech" as that covers so much more. I think we can have an expansive "free expression" which includes many things while also having reasonable limits on that based on e.g. "does this reasonably harm people in a significant way?"

Re: Reddit.com appears to be having an outage

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post #562
post #536

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My personal guess is it's down on purpose so they can say only 5% of subs who said they would go dark actually did, we just happened to have a service outage that day so they can push their own narrative t investors. Spez doesn't care anymore, he's focused on that IPO payday and to tell with everyone else. He's a liability to the company now, but the board isn't acting.

Here's a site which tracks how many subs have been made private. It's actually crazy that it's up to 93% of them now: https://reddark.untone.uk/

And most of the ones that "haven't" have restricted submissions... e.g. no new posts.
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