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The concurrence of three climatic events

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Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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What's up with the straight line across the equatorial Pacific? https://climatecasino.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/GLOBAL_...

Lack of wind, since the trade winds of the north and south hemispheres converge or cancel each other at the equator https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertropical_Convergence_Zo...

TIL. Thanks.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Bill Gates has been buying up water reserves, has investments in polluting industries, and he's got an interest in keeping the public thinking it's "not so bad". It is. Bill Gates is also behind the "our world in data" series on youtube, that consistently misrepresents climate science to make it seem like we can solve it with enough "green industry", when the only real solution is degrowth, we can't afford to keep si…

Degrowth is not a solution. Geo-engineering is our only way out of this mess.

Degrowth not only is a solution, it's a guaranteed outcome if other initiatives don't materialize to successfully address the problem.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Given that such rapid and severe deviations as shown in the charts are unheard of at this scale, perhaps a little panic is justified. It’s certainly worrying.

I agree it's worrying. Panic to me, though, indicates a loss of your faculties. You still have to be able to assess the situation objectively and adapt accordingly. I guess my point is that hyperbole about climate change (alarmism) is just as unhelpful as climate change denial.

Except that in context nobody, not even the self-proclaimed doomer who wrote the post, is suggesting we all go running around in blind panic with our hair on fire over this. Rather, that it’s severe enough and so far out beyond recorded temperatures that it should be an urgent priority that’s taken extremely seriously.

Claiming this is just panic is devaluing the data and an argument in favour of yet more inaction or slow and ineffective action.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Fair point, but what if the desert starts greening again? I don't expect it to, but having what nutrients there are NOT blow away would be a start right?

The issue is water and sand. While it's currently supplementing other ecosystems with nutritions, these by themselves won't magically become greenery. It would definitely have an incredible effect on the climate if you could magically make Africa into a Forest again though. Might even make some parts of Europe uninhabitable with that cooling alone. Not gonna happen though.

> The issue is water and sand. While it's currently supplementing other ecosystems with nutritions, these by themselves won't magically become greenery.

photosynthesis efficiency goes up as CO2 increases, and plants need way less water.

This leads to greening of the entire planet and reversing desertification.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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This guy's blog is subtitled "Eliot Jacobson's Collapse of Everything Blog". Is this his schtick? Does he just say the world is ending all the time, or is what he's saying true?

Climate change is terrifying, but I also have a hard time taking self titled Doomers totally seriously. It makes sense to consider all of the worst case scenarios for any event, and to prepare for them. But Doomers seem to have an obsession with it, and a need to convince others that the worst will happen. I noticed this a lot in 2020. COVID was (and is) awful, but there was so much shit that Doomers claimed would ha…

Personally, I like to prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

I wish more people would take a reasonable middle approach like that. Are we still, as a society, allowed to do things like that?

The reality is rarely "as bad as we imagined" OR "nothing is wrong at all".

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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> There is another possible input to this heating worthy of note. Dust from the Sahara typically blows west this time of year, blocking incoming radiation while trapping existing heat. So far this year the dust has not come. The lack of dust is notable and could also be a direct cause of some of the North Atlantic heating. This caught my eye as a potentially much worse catastrophe in the short term than the extreme t…

This was the only part of the post that I wasn’t relating to. I’m just coming back from a trip to the Caribbean where during my trip the sky was hazy for some days and all of the locals were claiming the weather effect to be the Sahara dust. I’m not a local so I don’t know if it is more or less than usual, but my personal experience makes me take issue with the “never come” part.

The eastern islands of the Caribbean are currently getting hit with smoke from Canadian wildfires: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/smoke-maps-canad.... Smoke is covering everything from Puerto Rico to Barbados.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Every time humans try and fix nature, we tend to make it worse due to not understanding the problem or consequences.

Do we though? Up until very recent history, we thought of nature as deadly, and unforgiving. The wilderness would mean almost certain death. We did not master the environment, we were afraid of it. I wouldn't say we make things worse, I think we make things our own. Is that worse? I'd tend to disagree. I prefer human environments over the deep wilderness. Most of us love nature, but we love the human version of that.…

I'm with you mostly....

But this is fluids, we don't have science to know how it will actually perform.

Gosh, I'm so afraid of problems with fluids.

My worst case dooms:

>The change in energy causes extreme weather

>The energy change causes some electrons to leave their orbitals temporarily, causing compounds in the atmosphere that typically never occur(creating cancer air).

>Long term effects are not known, causing cancer air.

Re: The concurrence of three climatic events

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Is there anywhere on earth I can move to where it’ll take longer to get terrible?

I chose to live in Michigan mostly for climate crisis and natural disaster reasons. One of the largest fresh bodies of water, no earthquakes, hardly any tornadoes, no hurricanes, ocean levels won’t impact directly, forest fires aren’t common in the scale of California. Projections show it will still be farmable in 50 years. The downside is it’s a Midwest flyover sate, and the winters can be tough. The lack of sun and…

Michigan is where my research led me on this. In several ways looks an improvement to my current life in Kansas.
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