Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

Post by pms » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 2:12 PM UTC

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Working in the AV space, it's really frustrating how confidently people who have no idea about what's hard and what isn't go off about Tesla right now. Mercedes has soundly beaten the last decade of Tesla efforts by reaching L3. I've personally watched FSD go off the rails and into a crash situation within 60 seconds of being turned on three times this month (I have a friend who loves to try it in San Francisco) Had…

This FUD is insane. You make it sounds like Tesla's with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren't?

Post by sensanaty » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 2:27 PM UTC

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> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This ship sailed like 60 years ago (blame your parents, speaking of consequences). At this point, autonomous driving is the best we can do in places like Los Angeles or San Diego.

Post by sixQuarks » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

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Because it's a party trick that requires a vehicle in front for tracking and can only be used under 40 mph on the highway. It's a joke. I can do the same thing. Why can Tesla offer FSD beta which can drive around on any roads while Mercedes can't?

It is not a party trick. It literally allows you to do anything while stuck in traffic, which is definitely not a rare occurrence. Meanwhile Tesla's FSD beta doesn't allow me anything I can't do with another car, as I still need to pay the same amount of attention and hold the same liability. Mercedes could offer a similar service, but won't as their assistants already offer a similar experience without the dangers o…

Post by HDThoreaun » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 3:27 PM UTC

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40k+ people die per year in car accidents in the US alone. I would say "move fast and break less things" is better.

You're fooling yourself to think that Tesla is the solution. First, most of the fatalities are in cars that cost much much less than Tesla. Their owners will never afford a Tesla. Second, the only realistic way to prevent some of these deaths is to empower public transport, the way it's done in Europe. Third, although that's the least important point, Tesla statistics of miles driven between crashes are biased, becau…

Post by Justsignedup » Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

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> I would appreciate "automated rumble strips" that warns me gently if I veer out of my lane. Lane departure warning systems do exactly that. My mazda does this and basically between smart cruise, lane departure warnings, and big old alarms when someone in front of me suddenly hits the break, driving is SO MUCH MENTALLY EASIER. And don't get me started about blindspot alerts and HUDs oh man so amaze. I still think Le…

I rented a car with that kind of assistance yesterday and I found it annoying that the steering wheel give you some resistance when you want to go back to the main lane after overtaking a car on the opposite one!